A Literal Genesis Entails An Evil God

[smax]

Still waiting for a compelling counter.

[ThomM]

Actually - there has ALWAYS been a problem with Religions that claim a single creator god (Monotheism like Judaism - and Polytheism like Xtianity that claim ONE god created everything).

The claim that the god is ALL GOOD cannot literally be true. The god has to be the creator and the source of EVERYTHING - both good and evil.

When I was Young - I was taught that the bible was a complete INSPIRED and INERRANT word of god. ANd then - the NUNS taught us evolution - which of course contradicted the bible - along with a lot of other scientific facts that are in direct conflict with the bible.

Every year of my life - science (Archeology, Geology, Physics, Genetics - and many more) has established more and more of the bible to be clearly nothing more than the Observations of a group of ancient cave dwellers and nomads - who then tried to explain those things they SAW>

The earth was FLAT - because as they saw - even from a high place - it only reached to the Horizon and then fell off. IT was a flat circle -as stated in the bible - because if YOU are at a high place and turn in a circle - the "ends" of the earth seem to BE a circle. IT was slightly concave - because something had to be there to keep the water from falling off the ends of the earth.

AS we know - the stories of the Great Flood - the Exodus - the battle of Jericho - the creation sequence and time, and the early "history" of the Hebrew nation - are simply MYTH and LEGEND. WE have no reason to believe that the jews were in Bondage to Egypt at the time of the supposed exodus - since they are NOT mentioned in the list of such subjects that is very inclusive - found in egypt. OF course - there is also no reason to believe the jews even existed at that time at all - outside of the religion - there IS no mention of them in the historic record of that time - or an other before 1220 BCE.

And - there is ALSO no mention of the christ in the historic record of his supposed time - nor mention of his mother or father as well. In the golden age of ROME - where we have records of turtle races - and records of at least 20 OTHER claimed messiahs - the christ is no where to be found.

Once YOU eliminate the "inerrant" from the bible - by PROVING ONE THING is actually wrong - then the rest of the bible stands only on what can be proven and corroborated from OUTSIDE the bible - and very little can be.

As I have pointed out before - there was a Kansas - but that in no way proves that the WIzard of Oz was a real person. But I still have to believe that a person who went around rising rotting corpses from the dead WOULD have been mentioned somewhere!

[Godscreated]

Still waiting for a compelling counter.

They've been given to you, it's not my fault you are unable to recognize them.

[Godscreated]

Actually - there has ALWAYS been a problem with Religions that claim a single creator god (Monotheism like Judaism - and Polytheism like Xtianity that claim ONE god created everything).

The Jewish people and Christians believe in the same God, how is it you feel qualified to define God in two totally different ways.

The claim that the god is ALL GOOD cannot literally be true. The god has to be the creator and the source of EVERYTHING - both good and evil.

Why does God need to be the creator of good and evil, that actually makes no sense at all. God has always been, and it's not because He does good we call Him good, it is who He is, God can only be good and thus good comes from Him. With this said God who is all good could not create evil, no more than He created good. For God to have created good He would have had to create himself and He did not do that because He has always been.

When I was Young - I was taught that the bible was a complete INSPIRED and INERRANT word of god. ANd then - the NUNS taught us evolution - which of course contradicted the bible - along with a lot of other scientific facts that are in direct conflict with the bible.

So, because fallible man taught something contrary to the Bible it makes the Bible wrong, in what world does that make sense, I mean really dude.

Every year of my life - science (Archeology, Geology, Physics, Genetics - and many more) has established more and more of the bible to be clearly nothing more than the Observations of a group of ancient cave dwellers and nomads - who then tried to explain those things they SAW>

You do know that most people in those days did not believe in the God of the Bible, and the many non believers believed the world was flat, actually you can not prove through scripture that scripture says the world was flat, yes I know the scriptures you will use and they are not proof.

The earth was FLAT - because as they saw - even from a high place - it only reached to the Horizon and then fell off. IT was a flat circle -as stated in the bible - because if YOU are at a high place and turn in a circle - the "ends" of the earth seem to BE a circle. IT was slightly concave - because something had to be there to keep the water from falling off the ends of the earth.

What! where did you come up with that, when they climbed to the top of the highest mountains the curvature of the earth becomes quite apparent and it is not concave and if you turn 360 degrees you will not see a circular earth. You might get dizzy but that's it.

And - there is ALSO no mention of the christ in the historic record of his supposed time - nor mention of his mother or father as well. In the golden age of ROME - where we have records of turtle races - and records of at least 20 OTHER claimed messiahs - the christ is no where to be found.

Turtle races, shows how interesting they were, huh. Just how many fathers and mothers do you think were never mentioned in history, two, three, four how many. Why do you think those others never made it as Messiah, you are not intrigued by Jesus becoming so popular so quickly and not being a historic figure in Roman history.

Once YOU eliminate the "inerrant" from the bible - by PROVING ONE THING is actually wrong - then the rest of the bible stands only on what can be proven and corroborated from OUTSIDE the bible - and very little can be.

Which one did you disprove.

As I have pointed out before - there was a Kansas - but that in no way proves that the WIzard of Oz was a real person. But I still have to believe that a person who went around rising rotting corpses from the dead WOULD have been mentioned somewhere!

You mean you disproved Oz, Kansas, well. Why would Christ have been written about in secular history, He came to save people from sin and people have never wanted to be accused of sin, good reason for historians to leave Him out of their writings, don't you think.

[Raven]

GC wrote:Why does God need to be the creator of good and evil, that actually makes no sense at all. God has always been, and it's not because He does good we call Him good, it is who He is, God can only be good and thus good comes from Him. With this said God who is all good could not create evil, no more than He created good. For God to have created good He would have had to create himself and He did not do that because He has always been.

That's nothing but word salad, complete with croutons. You've really outdid yourself this time.

GC wrote: So, because fallible man taught something contrary to the Bible it makes the Bible wrong, in what world does that make sense, I mean really dude.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but that would be this world.

GC wrote:Why would Christ have been written about in secular history, He came to save people from sin and people have never wanted to be accused of sin, good reason for historians to leave Him out of their writings, don't you think.

Well, seeing as how he was reputed to have done some pretty amazing things, one would think that there would have been mention made of him. So why wasn't there? Perhaps because he never existed?
The dude is right, precious little from that book can be proven. There were no patriarchs, there was no bondage in Egypt, hence no Exodus. No Davidic Empire, no Noachian flood. All those little details about the virgin birth and the resurrection were all swiped from earlier religions. You hitched your wagon to a dead horse.

[smax]

Faith Is Believing What You Know Ain't So - Mark Twain

Just wanted to say that your sig describes Godschild to a tee. That's why he doesn't even bother to try and form intelligent arguments to support his position. He knows it's weak.

Instead of fighting that, he simply says

"You are wrong and god told me so."

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Still waiting for a compelling counter.

They've been given to you, it's not my fault you are unable to recognize them.

I definitely see that you've posted several times, no arguments there. I'm just waiting for something with a counter-argument.

Hell, I'll even settle for a mediocre rebuttal. As if you could muster anything more!

[Cyberman]

Just wanted to say that your sig describes Godschild to a tee. That's why he doesn't even bother to try and form intelligent arguments to support his position. He knows it's weak.

Instead of fighting that, he simply says

"You are wrong and god told me so."

Indeed. It's sad when justifying one's beliefs means putting together completely unrelated words in a barely coherent fashion and labelling it as profound. GC isn't the only grandmaster of the art among us.