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Refuting Evolution
RE: Refuting Evolution
I'm trying to decide which is more inane; Islam or creationism.
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RE: Refuting Evolution
(December 4, 2013 at 10:49 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote: I'm trying to decide which is more inane; Islam or creationism.

Islamic creationism?

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RE: Refuting Evolution
(December 4, 2013 at 9:58 am)Zazzy Wrote:
(December 4, 2013 at 3:18 am)Kitanetos Wrote: To be honest, most people never use anything beyond basic math outside of the classroom.

I never have.
There's a big argument about this right now- do we really need to make kids take, for instance, Algebra II? Since basic algebra and some geometry will be all most people need in their lives, there's a line of thought that making kids take more is like making them take advanced chemistry.

Many math teachers, of course, disagree vehemently with this, since learning math is also learning how to think logically- they argue that the goal isn't learning the math itself, but learning how to think.

Well I disagree vehemently but for a different reason. These kids are going to be the future mathematicians, physicists, astronomers, engineers, scientists, chemists, etc. etc. And these fields are growing so rapidly that you have no time to learn a lot of things which is why degrees as you go higher up gets so specialized, kids will have to get good at math before they enter uni. Math is not something you learn in a course, it's something you get a feel for after doing years and years of it. (Don't you kinda feel like high school curriculum could be a lot more intensive for a lot of stuff? I feel like if we taught them "real" stuff instead of making them play with the basics for so many years they wouldn't be so bored with school).

Kids these days are so afraid of math and they think it's something they'll never use. Well, you're not going to get the chance to enter a math intensive field if you don't do well in it or have preconceived notions that it's something "other people use".
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RE: Refuting Evolution
(December 4, 2013 at 9:58 am)Zazzy Wrote:
(December 4, 2013 at 3:18 am)Kitanetos Wrote: To be honest, most people never use anything beyond basic math outside of the classroom.

I never have.
There's a big argument about this right now- do we really need to make kids take, for instance, Algebra II? Since basic algebra and some geometry will be all most people need in their lives, there's a line of thought that making kids take more is like making them take advanced chemistry.

Many math teachers, of course, disagree vehemently with this, since learning math is also learning how to think logically- they argue that the goal isn't learning the math itself, but learning how to think.

One needs far more than basic algebra and geometry to pursue a career in any science, finance, economics, software, engineering, and more.
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(December 4, 2013 at 3:18 am)Kitanetos Wrote:
(December 3, 2013 at 11:35 pm)Esquilax Wrote: don't bother teaching math outside of the basic stuff, since you probably won't use it in your career.

To be honest, most people never use anything beyond basic math outside of the classroom.

I never have.

Can't speak for most but I use somewhat more than basic maths in finite element analysis and sub talar axial location and rotational equilibrium calculations.

However I do know people who practice medicine (or at least podiatric medicine) who believe in young earth creationism.
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Algebra and geometry are what I have used in day to day life and work. Wish I hadn't wasted my headaches on calculus and algebra III, that's for sure. Physics too, practically useless unless I get in a plane crash on an island and need to build a boat and navigate it in the ocean. I wish I'd been taught common sense and logic, survival methods like navigating by the stars because who doesn't want to know that? and natural medicine techniques. Meditation would've been cool to learn too. I think teachers should be more populous and have more diverse elective classes tailored to the kind of learners and thinkers we are. Social studies was just a fucking waste if time--revamp that shit and help kids learn how not to fall into the same ruts they see adults in their lives living, and fgs don't just Say drugs are bad, show them Why they are bad. We have so much knowledge to impart that isn't, its a damn travesty.
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