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Mussolini
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Mussolini
I've just did a brief research about this man, on wikipedia of course. I haven't learned anything about him in school, which just teached about the little pathetic bogatti(mustache in spanish) creuture when talking about WWII and of course other details. Nothing strange, but Mussolini were left out. A piece of this horrible wars history that I didn't know anything about.

So what I read in the wikipedia article did I find out that he was a atheist, all his life, and converted just to get control of italy. It also seem that he wasn't racist. He commented that the jewish population should be in the country since they've been there since the beginning of italy's history.

However he did have a race law which stripped the jewish populations citizenship and some of them were put to camps. Which he did to get a better relationship with the nazi regim in germany.

The conclusion is that he was an heartless dicatator, selfish and cruel. Not a racsit, he just didn't care, an atheist, but pretended to be catholic to have power and were genrally a ruthless dictator with not ethics or moral.

Similarities with Berlusconi is shown.

Can any confirm this? I don't want to entirly trust an wikipedia article.
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RE: Mussolini
It is pretty much correct. Mussolini had no beef with the Jews and it was only through pressure from the Germans he even agreed to instate the racial laws and deportations. Mussolini knew very well that he had to keep the Germans happy, specially since Hitler had no fondness for him at all. But Mussolini was a very popular statesman, very charismatic, so it was also in the Germans benefit to keep him in place as an ally.

Mussolini had more interest in himself than the rest of the worlds politics. He wanted power, and the Germans where a means to his cause. If course it backfired spectacularly on him.
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So can this explain why some people in Italy tend to defend him? That people have it easier to sympathise(feels like a wrong word to use) with him rather then a guy like Stalin or Hitler who were driven by almost relgious ideaologies and were commiting crimes based on hate?
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Older Italians (my dad's) generation remembered Benny fondly for getting the trains to run on time.

Mussolini's fantasy was to recreate the Roman Empire,with himself as Caesar,naturally.

He founded the fascist party and made true Upton Sinclair's description of fascism as "Capitalism plus murder". He came to power,and held it as Hitler did,by the simple expedient murdering any and all opposition. An indicator of his ruthlessness was that he had his son-in-law executed because the Nazis told him to.

Mussolini also signed the Lateran Treaty in 1929,which made the Vatican legallly a state in its own right, with all that implies. (I stopped myself here from going off on a tangent about the history of the Papal States,Garibaldi,and the unification of Italy,all of which I find fascinating)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateran_Treaty


Under Mussolini,Italy invaded Ethiopia (again) in 1935,but were unsuccessful.
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RE: Mussolini
(September 13, 2009 at 5:51 am)Giff Wrote: So can this explain why some people in Italy tend to defend him? That people have it easier to sympathise(feels like a wrong word to use) with him rather then a guy like Stalin or Hitler who were driven by almost relgious ideaologies and were commiting crimes based on hate?

My former history teacher had a brilliant anecdote for Italy in general.

He was in a train station with his wife, everything from the platform to the vending machines to the beautiful woman behind the counter was presented perfectly, so flash and shiny with a historical undertone, but when it came time to pay for the ticket the connection was offline so you couldn't use a debit card, the vending machines would take your money and not give anything back and the train was half an hour late and when it finally arrived at their station it couldn't be started again.

Italy, he said, looked flash and shiny but it was broken on the inside.
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RE: Mussolini
wikipedia articles are trustworthy i think, you can test its trustworthyness by finding a somewhat obscure but detailed article and tweaking the facts slightly so they are incorrect but look fine, then refresh and watch how long it takes to get fixed, usually within 5 minutes

mussolini was probably the smartest evilguy the world has ever had, in that he knew entirely what he was doing, and did not think "god sent me" or something, he just made the mistake of choosing the wrong side of WWII, but the axis would have won if the germans had waited untill the me262 was developed to start wwII, or at least kept the japaneese from being stupid about their strategy,

the allies would have lost badly han the war between the jappaneese and the russians come out in the russians favor, japan would be under russian control. WWI would have had the same or a simmalar outcome, but the americans would have come into wwII too late or not at all to change the outcome from what was happening when they joined wwii in 1942
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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