Childhood indoctrination

[Kitan Etos]

I was vegan for two and a half years and it was a perfectly healthy lifestyle choice for me. However, I really started to miss meat, so I began to eat it again. Would I ever go back to being a vegan? Probably not. I proved to myself I could do it, and that was as far as I was willing to take it.

[Zen Badger]

So we can say that the OP has been debunked? It is NOT "childhood indoctrination" that causes humans to be meat eating omnivores but more genetics?

I would concede that there might be genetic factors involved, but I do not buy your "75% of population can't biologically be vegan" assertion, which until you back it up with evidence I assume was just plucked out of your lower back.

But much more important than genetics is just simply culture, peers and willingness to make an admittedly radical change. Most tastes are acquired, there are excellent protein sources for vegans, and it's fun to do something different! Plus the people are great, although I admit I personally am not coming across so great seeing the strong reactions here. My fault

And it's also about the benefits one gets from it, most amazingly to me: I've never in my life felt so good and had so much love and compassion in my heart, and I have veganism to thank for that. I will forever be thankful to the person who raised my awareness about this I admit I failed at conveying this in the discussion here at these forums, which is evident in the strong reactions

Dude, if you wish to be a vegan, go for it.

It is a matter of personal choice and I will never judge you for it(because it means more bacon for me)

My only beef(pun intended) is when vegans start claiming that veganism is some sort of moral choice and us omnivorous types are degenerate barbarians for continuing to devour our animal cousins.

Complete and utter bullshit!!!

If we wish to go down that road are you going to go out into the wild and prevent the Lion from killing the Vilderbeest?

Or the Orca from eating the Seal?

Because the principal is the same.

We have evolved to have meat as a part of our diet and Evolution does not care about your delicate moral sensibilities.

And on a final note, while you might be feeling better for your choice I remember hearing a man on Triple J telling how his 17 years of vegetarianism was medically the worst thing that ever happened to him.

[KichigaiNeko]

So we can say that the OP has been debunked? It is NOT "childhood indoctrination" that causes humans to be meat eating omnivores but more genetics?

I would concede that there might be genetic factors involved, but I do not buy your "75% of population can't biologically be vegan" assertion, which until you back it up with evidence I assume was just plucked out of your lower back.

I think I indicated that I was utilising my "lower back" with that guesstimate, striving to include those from "Third world and Second world" countries where this "radical choice" you are advocating may not be available.

But much more important than genetics is just simply culture, peers and willingness to make an admittedly radical change.

You are applying "First world" problems to an issue that is much greater than your narrow view.

Most tastes are acquired, there are excellent protein sources for vegans, and it's fun to do something different! Plus the people are great, although I admit I personally am not coming across so great seeing the strong reactions here. My fault

You never considered that an omnivore would enjoy a vegan meal. Even when one stated as such but kept on with your pseudo religious vilification of omnivores.

And it's also about the benefits one gets from it, most amazingly to me: I've never in my life felt so good and had so much love and compassion in my heart, and I have veganism to thank for that.

Now you are sounding religious, and further indication that you have only replaced one "religion" with another. I am personally glad you feel well and happy with your life and the way you choose to live it I am demanding that you let others do the same.

I will forever be thankful to the person who raised my awareness about this I admit I failed at conveying this in the discussion here at these forums, which is evident in the strong reactions

See that is the rub there. You are being elitist in thinking that YOU are the only one who has considered this lifestyle path and like a true evangelical you must "witness" to all and sundry (whether they like it, been there done that, or not) of your "conversion".

You are also very gullible to think that because we on this forum are rather flippant regarding meat consumption, that we don't care. This is what your "socio-political-masters" would like you to think and this is not accurate.

There are many on this board who ARE vegan/ vegetarian, or some version there of, so you are nothing special. Your verbose infantile tantrums that we on this board are ALL horrid people because some of us prefer (for what ever reason) meat in our diets is insulting to them who you would readily identify with.

Anyway, back to this cock-a-mamy idea that halal/ kosher slaughter is just wizz bang fantastic and humane... who's fucking idea was that and why did it become religious law?

[ideologue08]

And so many of the UK bastards are still trying to get in ideo

To see the Kangaroos?

[bennyboy]

You forgot Susan Sarandon and Helen Miren who are both omnivores, very sexy and are not "youth obsessed" Benny.

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It is very humorous that all these so called "vegan champions" have vested interests in marketing fad diets and dietary information. Nigella Lawson? Makes no excuses to NOT being professionally trained and just loves food and cooking (much liken to our SummerQueen and is a domestic goddess to boot!)

Nah sorry benny, Forbi, endi et al....no sale for your religiosity regarding the way I live................ but thanks for caring about your own elitism.

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Oh...almost forgot.

So we can say that the OP has been debunked? It is NOT "childhood indoctrination" that causes humans to be meat eating omnivores but more genetics?

Personally, I view Vegan/ Vegetarianism taken to this extreme of vocalisation and victimisation of non-vegetarians as amounting to nothing more than a replacement for religion/ political manipulation of the populace.
my 2c

I'm not sure that I said what you seem to think I said. Are you maybe responding to someone I quoted or something?

[The Grand Nudger]

Most tastes are acquired, there are excellent protein sources for vegans, and it's fun to do something different!

Not a single one of which eliminates any cruelty, inhumane treatment, or wholesale slaughter of animals both human and non.

End of, amiright?

[littleendian]

[fr0d0]

Reducto ad absurdum - seems to be Rhythm's argument.

[Forbinator]

[The Grand Nudger]