Women rights in Islam

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What about a man allowed to married 4 wives but a woman can only have 1 husband?

Your beloved prime minister of Iran also called for a reverse of their extremely successful family planning saying that "women should focus on having kids" or something along those lines, and not working. Yes, awesome society for women there. I also saw this documentary, where women had to be photoshopped if their veil revealed hair. They had to photoshop the hair away, and photoshop their sleeves to make them cover 3/4 of their arms. This is Iran. And let's not forget that in many muslim countries, there are services for women where they can surgically reconstruct their hymen so that their husbands would think they're virgins. Why would anyone go through this kind of pain and trouble if muslim men respect women as equals?

A women's womb can hold the child of how many men? A man's sperm can go into infinite women. Just biologically, if a species is to reproduce and a specimen is capable of reproducing with multiple women what is most logical?

You need to brush up on your biology, the human species survives best on monogamous arrangement. Not permanent monogamy, but monogamy. Even so I support polygamy that goes both ways, not one that lopsidedly favours one gender. Because unlike religious people, I understand that marriage isn't meant fashion the best reproductive machine, it's a bond between people that they want to celebrate.

Second, what is the exact quote? Also, the fertility rate in Iran is less than average in the world. They really do need a higher fertility rate.

Women should work less and devote more time to their “main mission” of raising children, Mr Ahmadinejad said.

They are at replacement level for fertility rate. They are facing unemployment, whether or not they need a higher fertility rate doesn't justify saying women's main mission is to have babies. You do see that it's 2 different subjects?

Third, there's nothing wrong with the photoshop as what happens when a women's hair is long and flowing? It's extremely attractive. That women might have a husband, family. It's not righteous to fantasize over women and to sexually objectify them in your thoughts unless it's your wife. With the hijab that doesn't happen and the women is respected. She's not there for any man's vieiwing pleasure.

Here's something you want to consider.

Women do not exist for your pleasure. They exist for themselves. And looking pretty makes a lot of them happy. They should not stop just because you believe in the crazy notion of thought crime. Because, if you remember, they do not exist for your sake.

If the women wants to lie about being a virgin then thats on her. Lying is a sin.

So is not being a virgin, right? Everything's a sin with you guys. [/quote]

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What human rights are being violated?

And no Iran does not support terrorists like al qaeda or taliban. They are enemies.

Iran censors and cracks down on dissenters as well as rig their elections. Sure, no human rights violations there.

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No that's what I'm saying nor is it what I said. Your brain just can't comprehend it.

Yeah, that must be it.

Both men and women need to wait until sex for marriage.

The alternative, of course, is to destigmatize sex at all, and simply allow people to enjoy their sexuality without baseless religious reproach. That solves all the problems associated here... oh, but it wouldn't allow your religion to control people quite so completely, would it?

Yeah, I can see how you'd be against that.

A men can't have sex without a women and vice versa.

As a bisexual man, I beg to differ.

The trouble makers are the ones who brand women as sluts and yet expect them to have sex when they decide. The only way that stops is if women make the decision to not be constantly used because men are the ones who are causing the injustice.

Or we could stop thinking of sex as a degrading act outside of marriage, since there's absolutely no reason to do so beyond the archaic strictures of religion, that were formulated in the first place to make people guilty over natural acts.

That's your idea of women's rights, this imaginary choice of oppression. If you can't see past it it's your problem. But you're a brainwashed liberal, like a hamster on a wheel.

Additional choice= oppression. Yep, that makes sense.

There are no problems for women in Iran.

There is no war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia. Freedom is slavery.

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Religions, Islam included (in fact quite an outspoken member), often believe that the sole purpose of sex and, by extension, women is reproduction. They also hate pleasure of course, I bet if sex is not enjoyable it wouldn't be stigmatized at all.

[Sleepy]

A "bi-sexual man"

LOL no wonder you're saying this. There's really no talking to you because where your thinking is stemming from is indeed from the bottom of something against humanity and evolution. You're a traitor to your species by making that choice to become gay.

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OMGEEEE everyone, esquilax just betrayed our ENTIRE SPECIES by choosing to be gay because that's exactly what bisexual means! GAY!


Please. Seriously?

[Esquilax]

A "bi-sexual man"

LOL no wonder you're saying this. There's really no talking to you because where your thinking is stemming from is indeed from the bottom of something against humanity and evolution. You're a traitor to your species by making that choice to become gay.

Okay, not gay, genius. I have a girlfriend to whom I am engaged. Bi, meaning I'm attracted to both sexes, though I do tip toward females.

Second of all, sex positivity isn't uniformly a trait of alternative sexualities, but of... well, intelligent people.

Ah hell, why am I even bothering? You've clearly discarded rationality and any pretense of argument in favor of focusing on my sexuality, not to mention displaying your ignorance of evolution, gender issues and humans.

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Foreplay is encouraged within married couples in Islam. Including oral sex without the women swallowing or having semen in the mouth. Anal sex is forbidden

Imām as-Ŝādiq (as): “Whether in this world or in the hereafter, one has not, and will not, perceived a pleasure more pleasurable than sexual relations with women, and certainly this is the commentary of the words of Allāh (SwT) in the Qur`an, in Surat Āli-’ Imrān, verse 14 where He states: “To mankind has been made to seem decorous the love of (worldly) desires, including women and children.”

Quran 5 87-88"O you who have believed, do not prohibit the good things which Allah has made lawful to you and do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors."

Imam 'Ali - "Almighty God has created the sexual desire in ten parts; then He gave nine parts to women and one to men." If the hadith had ended here, Mernissi would be right in her claim, but the hadith goes on: "And if the Almighty God had not given the women equal parts of shyness, then each man would have nine women related to him.

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Rationality-? I want to "like" someone of the own species which leads to a possibility to the end of my species. Anti species act.
Bi's and gays are traitors to human race. It's irrational.

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If you're bi you are gay. There's really no such thing as gay besides that of doing something with another person of the same sex. Thinking about it is not enough to make someone gay.

[Bad Wolf]

A "bi-sexual man"

LOL no wonder you're saying this. There's really no talking to you because where your thinking is stemming from is indeed from the bottom of something against humanity and evolution. You're a traitor to your species by making that choice to become gay.

If you can choose to be gay, why don't you give it a go?

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Sleepy, quit this dodging and stop talking about gays because it's not the point (and honestly, it's really getting embarrassing for you) and reply to my post please.

[Esquilax]

Rationality-? I want to "like" someone of the own species which leads to a possibility to the end of my species. Anti species act.
Bi's and gays are traitors to human race. It's irrational.

Please detail to me how my sexuality could lead to the end of the human race, then. It should be easy to, right?

Please detail how my occasional dalliances with men constitute a potential apocalypse scenario.

No doubt you're going to mention children. In that case, I invite you to determine how, on an already overtaxed and overpopulated planet, some people not having children would make the situation worse, and not better. While you're there, could you also show how being gay is traitorous, while opting not to have children, or being celibate, or having a vasectomy, is not?

If you're bi you are gay.

I'm pretty sure Missluckie, also a user on this site, would be surprised at hearing that about me.

There's really no such thing as gay besides that of doing something with another person of the same sex. Thinking about it is not enough to make someone gay.

I've had sex with dudes. I've had sex with chicks. I've had sex with genderqueer and intersex people. Hence, I am bisexual, and not, in fact, gay, since I was attracted to all of them.

Get your facts straight, and don't presume to tell me about my own sexual orientation, bigot.