Women rights in Islam

[Esquilax]

Islam is the only religion that can be proven
I already proved God existence
Proving Islam itself will come later.

You've been promising this proof of Islam for fucking months, and moreover, you've been told repeatedly that your proof of god is so full of holes it doesn't count.

[The Valkyrie]

"While experimental evidence is lacking for now, Gavrilets says he is reasonably confident that the theory is sound"

But there are no facts in religion, including your own.

Islam is the only religion that can be proven
I already proved God existence
Proving Islam itself will come later.
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No, you didn't prove your god exists. This is merely a claim and you've proven it to yourself, perhaps, not to everyone else. And convincing yourself of something is the easiest thing in the world to do.

As for proving your religion, that's what most theists claim. THEIR religion can be proved, no one elses' can.

Back on topic:

I'm a 28 year old highly educated female. Unmarried, no children.

What opportunities would I have in an Islamic country?

Please tell me both in a moderate Islamic country and a Conservative Islamic country.

By the way, we're all aware that recently Iran passed a law to limit the number of women in universities and what course they could take because they were outstripping the men in every field.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

But there are no facts in religion, including your own.

Islam is the only religion that can be proven
I already proved God existence
Proving Islam itself will come later.

No, you didn't prove your god exists. This is merely a claim and you've proven it to yourself, perhaps, not to everyone else. And convincing yourself of something is the easiest thing in the world to do.

As for proving your religion, that's what most theists claim. THEIR religion can be proved, no one elses' can.

Back on topic:

I'm a 28 year old highly educated female. Unmarried, no children.

What opportunities would I have in an Islamic country?

Please tell me both in a moderate Islamic country and a Conservative Islamic country.

By the way, we're all aware that recently Iran passed a law to limit the number of women in universities and what course they could take because they were outstripping the men in every field.

I'm from a moderate Islamic country (Malaysia). Basically you can do anything a man can do unless you're muslim then you're subject to shariah court. In which case, career wise you're not affected, but you can't drink, can't have public display of affections with anyone but your husband (so no one, for you), but these things are kinda lax, you only get caught if you have bad luck, almost no one will tell on you. If you're a nonmuslim you go by civil laws unless you somehow get into a legal dispute with a muslim then you end up in the shariah court. And the way they handle rape is really unfavourable to girls, just very recently the court approved the marriage of a 13 year old to her 40+ y.o. rapist and there was even talk of not pursuing the charges. Oh yes, child marriage is ok with us. (if raped by a muslim, shariah court is where you end up in)

Something that is really an inconvenience is how often they change their minds about what women can and cannot do. An imam once tried to say it's unIslamic for women to hold phallic objects like cucumbers or wear miniskirts (we're quite relaxed about dresscode, you can wear as little as you like), and recently they issued a fatwa stopping some muslim girls from participating in a beauty pageant. Sometimes, things overflow from the Shariah court and they use those laws to judge nonmuslims as well, it's just a matter of luck. So you don't have a guarantee of your rights not being violated even if the existing law doesn't already violate your rights. Because things change very often.

Mostly a source of inconvenience once you get used to it, if I'm being completely honest. Until shit happens to you that is, then it really gets real.

Oh and did i mention that if you're a nonmuslim you pay more taxes and barely get any benefits at all? Including government jobs (almost 90% muslims in a country where 40% are nonmuslims), scholarships, loans, cheap housings, business have a quota to hire more muslims, it goes on and on and on.

[LostLocke]

And that's from a moderate Islamic country?

I'd hate to see a more fundamental or conservative spin on all that.

[The Valkyrie]

No, you didn't prove your god exists. This is merely a claim and you've proven it to yourself, perhaps, not to everyone else. And convincing yourself of something is the easiest thing in the world to do.

As for proving your religion, that's what most theists claim. THEIR religion can be proved, no one elses' can.

Back on topic:

I'm a 28 year old highly educated female. Unmarried, no children.

What opportunities would I have in an Islamic country?

Please tell me both in a moderate Islamic country and a Conservative Islamic country.

By the way, we're all aware that recently Iran passed a law to limit the number of women in universities and what course they could take because they were outstripping the men in every field.

I'm from a moderate Islamic country (Malaysia). Basically you can do anything a man can do unless you're muslim then you're subject to shariah court. In which case, career wise you're not affected, but you can't drink, can't have public display of affections with anyone but your husband (so no one, for you), but these things are kinda lax, you only get caught if you have bad luck, almost no one will tell on you. If you're a nonmuslim you go by civil laws unless you somehow get into a legal dispute with a muslim then you end up in the shariah court. And the way they handle rape is really unfavourable to girls, just very recently the court approved the marriage of a 13 year old to her 40+ y.o. rapist and there was even talk of not pursuing the charges. Oh yes, child marriage is ok with us. (if raped by a muslim, shariah court is where you end up in)

Something that is really an inconvenience is how often they change their minds about what women can and cannot do. An imam once tried to say it's unIslamic for women to hold phallic objects like cucumbers or wear miniskirts (we're quite relaxed about dresscode, you can wear as little as you like), and recently they issued a fatwa stopping some muslim girls from participating in a beauty pageant. Sometimes, things overflow from the Shariah court and they use those laws to judge nonmuslims as well, it's just a matter of luck. So you don't have a guarantee of your rights not being violated even if the existing law doesn't already violate your rights. Because things change very often.

Mostly a source of inconvenience once you get used to it, if I'm being completely honest. Until shit happens to you that is, then it really gets real.

Oh and did i mention that if you're a nonmuslim you pay more taxes and barely get any benefits at all? Including government jobs (almost 90% muslims in a country where 40% are nonmuslims), scholarships, loans, cheap housings, business have a quota to hire more muslims, it goes on and on and on.

Thank you for a truly excellent post.

I've not been to Malaysia but hope to visit some day.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

And that's from a moderate Islamic country?

I'd hate to see a more fundamental or conservative spin on all that.

It must be very baffling if you've only lived long term in more liberal societies and you may feel like omg, how can we survive with this madness? The truth is, humans can get used to almost anything if they've dealt with it for a long enough time. M'sia is constantly portrayed as the muslim country who "got it right", basically because a huge minority (~30% M'sian Chinese, ~13% M'sian Indian, the rest indigenous) is able to coexist with the muslim population (they're Malays, it's a race, but legally, if you're Malay you have to be muslim, they're the ones that suffer the most even though they get all the gov benefits, IMO) without much violence and we get a long very well. Except when it comes to politics, then the minority is completely screwed by the majority and the idea is that Malays are entitled to more rights than the rest of us and they truly truly believe so and will always vote for the party that will keep the inequality.

I think it's considered moderate because if you go to M'sia, you won't see burkas (if you do they're tourists from Saudi, who go there often), you will see lots of muslim girls in miniskirts, makeup, clubbing. You'll see a modern society, in other words. But there's this dissonance where the laws and politics (and about many of the citizens) have a primitive mindset, but the technology and lifestyle has moved forward.

And people looking from the outside would try to think, hm, is Islam responsible for this? Or is it something else? But having lived with the system for so long, I can tell you that when the religion enters politics, there is no separation between the two, it seeps into all parts of politics and then into your life and it's futile to try to decide which is political and which is the "Islamic" influence, this is the reason why many say that islam is a very political religion, because the religion does come with it's governing ideology (shariah, for example), and if I'm not mistaken, the arrangement M'sia has (where nonmuslims have less rights) is also outlined in the religion, basically nonmuslims are "dhimmies" and this is how we're supposed to be treated.

[WesOlsen]

I'm so fucking derranged that not even a triple dose of anti-psychotics could bring me back to the real world. The truth is that I was brainwashed from childhood by my equally derranged parents. I'm also a closet homosexual and a cunt.

At least you're honest.

[Muslim Scholar]

And that's from a moderate Islamic country?

I'd hate to see a more fundamental or conservative spin on all that.

I'm sorry to hear that,
but this is not Islam

What some Muslims or countries do is not always Islamic!

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No, you didn't prove your god exists.

A proof is valid if it is not refuted
You need to refute it or accept it!

I'm a 28 year old highly educated female. Unmarried, no children.

What opportunities would I have in an Islamic country?

Please tell me both in a moderate Islamic country and a Conservative Islamic country.

Let's talk about Islam not the current situation
As a woman some restriction will apply on you
You cannot be a president, judge or a soldier
You need to cover your body (except face and hands)
You will need a next of keen to approve your marriage
Inherit half of your brother

on the other hand your next of keen is obligated to cover all your expenses (even if you are working)
When getting married your husband will pay a dowry (a gift) to you

[WesOlsen]

Let's talk about Islam not the current situation
As a woman some restriction will apply on you
You cannot be a president, judge or a soldier
You need to cover your body (except face and hands)
You will need a next of keen to approve your marriage
Inherit half of your brother

on the other hand your next of keen is obligated to cover all your expenses (even if you are working)
When getting married your husband will pay a dowry (a gift) to you

What is this an episode of Pride and Prejudice? Listen to yourself, with all these restrictions. You announce it with such pride, you genuinely believe that you are enlightened. You are an ignorant piece of shit. Why do you think people in the west have such an increasingly negative view of your religion? You are beyond backwards, there isn't a word yet invented to describe your level of grovelling misery. Do yourself a favour and stop embarassing yourself, please.

[Muslim Scholar]

Let's talk about Islam not the current situation
As a woman some restriction will apply on you
You cannot be a president, judge or a soldier
You need to cover your body (except face and hands)
You will need a next of keen to approve your marriage
Inherit half of your brother

on the other hand your next of keen is obligated to cover all your expenses (even if you are working)
When getting married your husband will pay a dowry (a gift) to you

What is this an episode of Pride and Prejudice? Listen to yourself, with all these restrictions. You announce it with such pride, you genuinely believe that you are enlightened. You are an ignorant piece of shit. Why do you think people in the west have such an increasingly negative view of your religion? You are beyond backwards, there isn't a word yet invented to describe your level of grovelling misery. Do yourself a favour and stop embarassing yourself, please.

Your analogy is not even logical
You base your conclusion on the assumption that women and men are equal, which is not true
Can you prove that? NO
Even modern science proved otherwise

So it is very logical that men and women should have different roles in the society