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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 9, 2013 at 1:33 pm
(August 9, 2013 at 11:30 am)Chas Wrote: Of course it's a miracle. As an ordained minister in The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (pbup), I see them all the time.
Where can I get me one of those?
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 9, 2013 at 2:44 pm
(August 9, 2013 at 1:33 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Where can I get me one of those?
Microsoft Word?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 9, 2013 at 3:23 pm
(August 9, 2013 at 1:33 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (August 9, 2013 at 11:30 am)Chas Wrote: Of course it's a miracle. As an ordained minister in The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (pbup), I see them all the time.
Where can I get me one of those?
It is a hard, steep road full of doubt, re-dedication, blood, sweat, and tears.
And $20.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 10, 2013 at 11:55 am
(August 9, 2013 at 12:09 am)Esquilax Wrote: Predicted response from ronedee: "I guess you never bothered to read the article! If only you'd get past your ignorance and need to bash god, you'd see!"
... Just maybe inflated over nine more paragraphs.
I seem to have scared him away. Poke a hole in their "miracle" stories and they flutter away like a balloon. Xtians should be made of sterner stuff.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 10, 2013 at 11:58 am
Xtians should never be made.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 13, 2013 at 6:16 pm
(August 10, 2013 at 11:55 am)Minimalist Wrote: I seem to have scared him away. Poke a hole in their "miracle" stories and they flutter away like a balloon. Xtians should be made of sterner stuff.
"scared"? I think not little man. Don't think so highly of yourself...
Unlike you and the masses here, I have a LIFE!
But, I will be around to torment your godforsken souls "when I can"!
Quis ut Deus?
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 13, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Meanwhile go blow your Hiroshima miracle out your ass you phony bastard.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 13, 2013 at 6:27 pm
(This post was last modified: August 13, 2013 at 6:29 pm by ronedee.)
(August 9, 2013 at 7:08 am)Stimbo Wrote: Anyway, regardless of whether you believe what you wrote or not, it has to be one of the sickest things I've read in a long time - and I read some pretty sick things, let me tell you. Take for instance the 9/11 attacks. Were you as appalled as the rest of us by the sheer atrocity of what happened and what led up to it, not to mention its aftermath, or did you celebrate yet another manifestation of God's plan?
This is not an assault, though you will perceive it as such; I genuinely want to know.
Yes stimmy I was appalled @ any attacks on fellow human beings... and yes I would look both ways just like all humans.
I can say that if God's plan includes these [inspite of my feelings] I will trust it is in His divine plan.
I won't enjoy seeing any disaster, but I will trust in God.
Like I said before, our lives here are an eye-blink in time compared to all eternity. And once the body is dead, I believe that our spirits will live on forever with God. Like God.
What matters is, in that short time we are here to; Love and Help one another to acheive eternal life with our Creator.
As I've said many times, God can't hand us His divinity. We need to earn it through: love, salvation, and reconciliation.
"As God through Jesus Christ shared in our humanity (in every way but sin) so shall we share in His divinity."
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 13, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Until you die and find out nothing because your brain will be dead with your body, and your consciousness will end.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 13, 2013 at 8:21 pm
(This post was last modified: August 13, 2013 at 8:23 pm by Cyberman.)
Thanks for addressing my post - ronny. Your reply now qualifies for this supplementary question: if you became convinced that your god told you to go out and be a part of some similar atrocity in its name, would you still trust in its plan?
Please try to answer without resorting to preaching or quoting extensive bible-spam at me.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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