Gimmah the evidence

[Whateverist]

It is said that when the ...........the student is ready the master appears.

The cynic in me can't help but offer these alternative phrasings:

When the student is ready, someone appears.

When the student abandons all resistance, he is ready to acknowledge almost anyone as master.

When the student is desperate enough, anyone will do for a teacher.


Looks like I'm not ready.

[Little Rik]

It is said that when the ...........the student is ready the master appears.

The cynic in me can't help but offer these alternative phrasings:
When the student is ready, someone appears.
When the student abandons all resistance, he is ready to acknowledge almost anyone as master.
When the student is desperate enough, anyone will do for a teacher.
Looks like I'm not ready.

The problem with listening too much to the rational mind is that it become then very difficult to see where the gift is.
Albert Einstein wrote ................The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.

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I've explored altered states of consciousness for decades, yoga for 10+ year(it really helped my surfing!), meditate for 10+ years, binaurel recordings, fasting, and other methods. I've had some pretty 'profound' experiences, none of which I have any evidence that they are anything more than drastic changes in brain states.

I met people telling me that they do the real meditation.
One guy told me that it is necessary to look at the light of a candle with the eyes open, an other guy told me that the mantra is all but he wouldn't know the meaning, another told me that it is important to imagine himself on the top of a mountain.
Most of the yoga these days has lost the real meaning.
Who am i?
My relationship with the whole and the method of practicing.
Just like the religions that they lost the spirituality.
You can practicing yoga for even 100 years but if you don't know how the system works then you just waste your time.

[downbeatplumb]

The problem with listening too much to the rational mind is that it become then very difficult to see where the gift is.
Albert Einstein wrote ................The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
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And as Abraham Lincoln said.
"Don't trust everything you read on the internet"

I can see pages attributing that quote to einstein and pages saying it wasn't him.
What I can't find is any context or explanation of where the quote came from.

I doubt he said it.

[Angrboda]

The problem with listening too much to the rational mind is that it become then very difficult to see where the gift is.
Albert Einstein wrote ................The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.

I can see pages attributing that quote to einstein and pages saying it wasn't him.
What I can't find is any context or explanation of where the quote came from.

I doubt he said it.

But quoting it in colors, or bolded, or in ALL CAPS, OR EVEN ALL THREE! makes it really, REALLY special.

[Whateverist]

The problem with listening too much to the rational mind is that it become then very difficult to see where the gift is.
Albert Einstein wrote ................The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
[

And as Abraham Lincoln said.
"Don't trust everything you read on the internet"

I can see pages attributing that quote to einstein and pages saying it wasn't him.
What I can't find is any context or explanation of where the quote came from.

I doubt he said it.

I've read it attributed to Einstein by a reputable psychologist so I accept he said it. But like all his other references to God and the irrational he isn't urging us to lay down in the muck of the unknowable. He never recommends abandoning oneself to god-knows-what. I think he really is encouraging us to embrace our conscious roles of tying up the loose ends and building legs under the productions of the intuitive mind. You serve the intuitive mind not by accepting the authoritative dogma of a teacher but by remaining open to allowing its expression in you while serving it in a support role. No teacher required.

[Little Rik]

I've read it attributed to Einstein by a reputable psychologist so I accept he said it.

You unlike people like apophenia that carry on with her mental masturbations are on the road to success by admitting the obvious.
When you keep an open mind you will be able to see the truth.
Congratulation.
I am even thinking to give you a kudos.

But like all his other references to God and the irrational he isn't urging us to lay down in the muck of the unknowable. He never recommends abandoning oneself to god-knows-what.

But, but, but at the same time he does not even tell you that you should reject a teacher.
If you think in this way then why you went to school and accept a teacher to guide you to higher degree?
Did you check the teacher qualifications and references before you started the school?

I think he really is encouraging us to embrace our conscious roles of tying up the loose ends and building legs under the productions of the intuitive mind.

Albert went much further then that.
Intuition gave him the answer and solution to his many questions.
He got the theory of relativity out of his intuit, Paul McCartney also got the tune for Yesterday out of his intuition via a dream and so many other so called inventors got the knowledge out of intuition most of the time via a dream.
In other words they did not invented anything all they did they got the knowledge that was already within.
The system work in this way..........you study, you struggle you hope, you wish and wish and after you put a real effort into the task to uncover the solution finally you are rewarded.
But who give you the reward?
Well i am not going any further? You guess!!!
http://dreamtraining.blogspot.com.au/201...rgest.html

You serve the intuitive mind not by accepting the authoritative dogma of a teacher but by remaining open to allowing its expression in you while serving it in a support role. No teacher required.

No teacher required anymore once you get the licence to drive but before that you got to study the theory (teacher) and then you got to have an other teacher who explain you the difference between the brake and the accelerator when for the first time you sit in the driving seat.
Sure, you could come to the conclusion by yourself but in the real life almost none does as it could be very dangerous and take more time.
Relying on someone who got experience in a particular field is the best way to get there quicker and safer.

[Cyberman]

I've read it attributed to Einstein by a reputable psychologist so I accept he said it.

You unlike people like apophenia that carry on with her mental masturbations are on the road to success by admitting the obvious.
When you keep an open mind you will be able to see the truth.
Congratulation.

You'll notice that he, like myself and others, didn't automatically accept the veracity of the statement and instead did a little research first. For my part all I could find were third-party attributions but no evidence of the quote in that form coming from the man himself. Keeping an open mind is perfectly laudable but remember the distinction between openminded and plain gullible.

But, but, but at the same time he does not even tell you that you should reject a teacher.

So just because Einstein didn't tell us to reject a teacher, we shouldn't? What about bad teachers? Must we always accept their authority simply because another authority may or may not have told us to?

Albert went much further then that.
Intuition gave him the answer and solution to his many questions.
He got the theory of relativity out of his intuit, Paul McCartney also got the tune for Yesterday out of his intuition via a dream and so many other so called inventors got the knowledge out of intuition most of the time via a dream.
In other words they did not invented anything all they did they got the knowledge that was already within.
The system work in this way..........you study, you struggle you hope, you wish and wish and after you put a real effort into the task to uncover the solution finally you are rewarded.
But who give you the reward?
Well i am not going any further? You guess!!!

You're confusing intuition with inspiration, but the funny thing about all this is creative people almost never get intuitive leaps about anything outside their own special field of interest and study. Einstein's songwriting career is perhaps thankfully lost to history, while McCartney's contributions to the sciences can be counted on the fingers of Abu Hamza's bad hand. Come to think of it, the same could be said of his contributions to music as well, but that's another thread.

Sir Terry Pratchett once wrote about inspiration particles sleeting through the Universe and sparking ideas whenever they chance upon living minds. However, before you get too excited, he was writing satirically about the importance of being born in the right species at the right place and the right time; the frog living a million years ago who suddenly got the inspiration for making the perfect sitcom stood no chance, for instance.

No teacher required anymore once you get the licence to drive but before that you got to study the theory (teacher) and then you got to have an other teacher who explain you the difference between the brake and the accelerator when for the first time you sit in the driving seat.
Sure, you could come to the conclusion by yourself but in the real life almost none does as it could be very dangerous and take more time.
Relying on someone who got experience in a particular field is the best way to get there quicker and safer.

The entire purpose of teaching, beyond the basics and if you're doing it right, is to generate the desire for learning in the pupil, such that they will one day surpass the teacher.

[Whateverist]

I've read it attributed to Einstein by a reputable psychologist so I accept he said it.

You unlike people like apophenia that carry on with her mental masturbations are on the road to success by admitting the obvious.
When you keep an open mind you will be able to see the truth.
Congratulation.
I am even thinking to give you a kudos.

But like all his other references to God and the irrational he isn't urging us to lay down in the muck of the unknowable. He never recommends abandoning oneself to god-knows-what.

But, but, but at the same time he does not even tell you that you should reject a teacher.
If you think in this way then why you went to school and accept a teacher to guide you to higher degree?
Did you check the teacher qualifications and references before you started the school?

I think he really is encouraging us to embrace our conscious roles of tying up the loose ends and building legs under the productions of the intuitive mind.

Albert went much further then that.
Intuition gave him the answer and solution to his many questions.
He got the theory of relativity out of his intuit, Paul McCartney also got the tune for Yesterday out of his intuition via a dream and so many other so called inventors got the knowledge out of intuition most of the time via a dream.
In other words they did not invented anything all they did they got the knowledge that was already within.
The system work in this way..........you study, you struggle you hope, you wish and wish and after you put a real effort into the task to uncover the solution finally you are rewarded.
But who give you the reward?
Well i am not going any further? You guess!!!
http://dreamtraining.blogspot.com.au/201...rgest.html

You serve the intuitive mind not by accepting the authoritative dogma of a teacher but by remaining open to allowing its expression in you while serving it in a support role. No teacher required.

No teacher required anymore once you get the licence to drive but before that you got to study the theory (teacher) and then you got to have an other teacher who explain you the difference between the brake and the accelerator when for the first time you sit in the driving seat.
Sure, you could come to the conclusion by yourself but in the real life almost none does as it could be very dangerous and take more time.
Relying on someone who got experience in a particular field is the best way to get there quicker and safer.

Since you are so fond of teachers and that is my day job I've decided to assign you homework. You can see the use of the Einstein quote in this talk/animation by the psychologist Gilchrist. The quote comes in the end, you might skip to the start of the 11th minute and watch about 30 seconds to get to the quote right away. But if you then go back and watch it from the beginning, perhaps you can tell me what is wrong with a natural explanation such as he offers for understanding the nature of the self?

http://youtu.be/dFs9WO2B8uI

[Little Rik]

Since you are so fond of teachers and that is my day job I've decided to assign you homework. You can see the use of the Einstein quote in this talk/animation by the psychologist Gilchrist. The quote comes in the end, you might skip to the start of the 11th minute and watch about 30 seconds to get to the quote right away. But if you then go back and watch it from the beginning, perhaps you can tell me what is wrong with a natural explanation such as he offers for understanding the nature of the self?

Gilchrist problem is that he is not taking in any consideration the fact that what is in the brain has been build up by the consciousness and therefore if there is a problem in the brain that can be in many cases fix by improving our consciousness.
No mention at all about consciousness in his talk except for Einstein quote.
He may be the best man to analyze the way the brain works but if he does not understand the cause of brain malfunctions then it is all a waste of time.

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So just because Einstein didn't tell us to reject a teacher, we shouldn't? What about bad teachers? Must we always accept their authority simply because another authority may or may not have told us to?

No, but after a while you should be able to understand if his-her teaching make sense or not.
Of course there is always a certain risk but the risk to go without a teacher may be a lot greatest then go alone.

You're confusing intuition with inspiration, but the funny thing about all this is creative people almost never get intuitive leaps about anything outside their own special field of interest and study. Einstein's songwriting career is perhaps thankfully lost to history, while McCartney's contributions to the sciences can be counted on the fingers of Abu Hamza's bad hand. Come to think of it, the same could be said of his contributions to music as well, but that's another thread.

That is quite normal.
You ask for a pizza and you get a pizza, you ask for the cannelloni and you get the cannelloni.
The mind of Einstein was interested in science and got science.
Why should he get music?
Your consciousness is very clever and will respond accordingly if your sincerity is good.

Sir Terry Pratchett once wrote about inspiration particles sleeting through the Universe and sparking ideas whenever they chance upon living minds. However, before you get too excited, he was writing satirically about the importance of being born in the right species at the right place and the right time; the frog living a million years ago who suddenly got the inspiration for making the perfect sitcom stood no chance, for instance.

The universe is just a transformation of mental thinking into vibrations from the cosmic consciousness and that at the end take a material form so if you want to understand where the inspiration come from and where these inspiration are directed to then the best thing to do is to go back to the source of everything to the matrix of the universe.
But you do not have to go too far because what is within the cosmic mind is also within your consciousness which is part and parcel of the same thing.

The entire purpose of teaching, beyond the basics and if you're doing it right, is to generate the desire for learning in the pupil, such that they will one day surpass the teacher.

It really depend what subject a teacher teach.
Within the material world there is almost always the possibility to go further and further but within the spiritual world that is not possible because when you as a drop of water merge into the ocean of consciousness then you become the ocean itself.
You possibly can not become any bigger.

[downbeatplumb]

The universe is just a transformation of mental thinking into vibrations from the cosmic consciousness and that at the end take a material form so if you want to understand where the inspiration come from and where these inspiration are directed to then the best thing to do is to go back to the source of everything to the matrix of the universe.
But you do not have to go too far because what is within the cosmic mind is also within your consciousness which is part and parcel of the same thing.

Well I must say this is the finest bullshit I have seen in a while.

And you have evidence for any of this?

Or did you "intuit" it?