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RE: One of the lowest things I ever read about
June 19, 2013 at 9:15 am
(June 19, 2013 at 8:33 am)plaincents822 Wrote: I don't know, maybe it's just me but I don't get what the big deal is. I wouldn't want to do that because sifting through dead people's ashes is pretty off putting to me, but if you got the stomach for it why not? All they were were gold fillings from teeth. I could understand if this guy was digging up bodies and stealing family heirlooms. But you just burnt grandpa to ashes, I don't think it matters if you take his leftover fillings.
Personally, I just don't care what happens to me when I'm dead. The morticians could give me a handy j for all I care, I'll be dead.
The dead don't mind, but I don't see the point in stealing from your workplace. Wouldn't it be better after all to actually work for your money..? 
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RE: One of the lowest things I ever read about
June 19, 2013 at 9:25 am
(June 19, 2013 at 9:14 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: I guess the corpse technicaly belongs to the family.
But is the crematorium required to hold the leftovers of the ashes for the family? The article makes it sound as if it isn't really clear.
Quote:"It's not just gold teeth but artificial hips or screws as well," Reber said. Sometimes the relatives want them back but the crematorium doesn't hand them over because the matter is a "legal gray area," he added.
I guess I'm wondering if this is a legal issue or simply an ethical one.
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RE: One of the lowest things I ever read about
June 19, 2013 at 11:03 am
(June 19, 2013 at 9:15 am)Kayenneh Wrote: The dead don't mind, but I don't see the point in stealing from your workplace. Wouldn't it be better after all to actually work for your money..?
Bear in mind; the guy had amassed a kilogram's worth of gold fillings. According to Xe.com, this has a value about $48,493.31 or €36,199.53. I'm not sure how much the crematorium was paying but I've found online, that, at least in America, cremation technicians make only about $21,000. Maybe it's more in Germany. While I still don't know how long he'd been doing this, depending on how long it's been, at the very least, this was a significant bonus to his income, and at most, he could very well have been making more from this than from his legit work, and, really, as much as we'd like to consider ourselves as moral, if it comes to making decent money from your dead-end job, moral principles go out the window with remarkable ease.
Of course, after listening to this, you might understand the mindset behind stealing from the workplace:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWHniL8MyMM
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RE: One of the lowest things I ever read about
June 19, 2013 at 11:21 am
(June 19, 2013 at 11:03 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: Bear in mind; the guy had amassed a kilogram's worth of gold fillings. According to Xe.com, this has a value about $48,493.31 or €36,199.53. I'm not sure how much the crematorium was paying but I've found online, that, at least in America, cremation technicians make only about $21,000. Maybe it's more in Germany. While I still don't know how long he'd been doing this, depending on how long it's been, at the very least, this was a significant bonus to his income, and at most, he could very well have been making more from this than from his legit work, and, really, as much as we'd like to consider ourselves as moral, if it comes to making decent money from your dead-end job, moral principles go out the window with remarkable ease.
Yeah, the thought did pass my mind. Alas, I can't expect everyone to have as high work morals as I do..
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RE: One of the lowest things I ever read about
June 20, 2013 at 7:30 am
It's not like the crematorium was going to hand over the fillings anyways. From the article:
Quote:The law in Germany isn't clear on who owns residual materials that remain once the ashes of a corpse have been sifted.
"It's not just gold teeth but artificial hips or screws as well," Reber said. Sometimes the relatives want them back but the crematorium doesn't hand them over because the matter is a "legal gray area," he added.
If the crematorium is allowed to take the fillings without the surviving family member's permission, then why shouldn't the worker? Look, like I said it would be completely different if it was family heirlooms, but who really cares about the gold fillings. My grandfather was cremated and he definitely had gold fillings himself. We got him in the jar, and I'm not too sure if his gold fillings are in there and I really don't care.
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RE: One of the lowest things I ever read about
June 21, 2013 at 12:21 am
That's among the lowest things you've ever heard?
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This whole body ownership thing just sounds fucked up to me.
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RE: One of the lowest things I ever read about
June 21, 2013 at 1:09 pm
(June 19, 2013 at 9:15 am)Kayenneh Wrote: The dead don't mind, but I don't see the point in stealing from your workplace. Wouldn't it be better after all to actually work for your money..?
He had to sift through ashes and then sell the gold. Sounds like an entrepreneur to me!
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