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RE: Obama called war criminal & hypocrite of the century in Irish Parlament
June 22, 2013 at 11:16 pm
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(June 22, 2013 at 9:06 pm)Tiberius Wrote: There are more than two parties in the American electoral system. As soon as you guys realize this, you might get some decent politicians in office. They do exist; you just don't often find them in the Democratic and Republican parties.
More parties is no guarantee of superior politicians. Weimar Germany had 40 parties represented in the Reichstag throughout its existence, and we all know what sort of politician that situation produced.
I have problems with the Democratic Party, but I won't vote for a third party because weakening an insufficiently progressive party paves the way for a proudly regressive party to re-assert supremacy. Slow progress is better than going backwards. Though, it may not be far off when the Republican party fractures. We might see a three party system again when that happens, if it doesn't lose too much of its margins to either of its competitors. I'd rather wait for them to break first.
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RE: Obama called war criminal & hypocrite of the century in Irish Parlament
June 22, 2013 at 11:29 pm
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(June 22, 2013 at 12:41 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Who was the last U.S. president who wasn't a war criminal?
Hoover?
(June 21, 2013 at 6:13 pm)Tiberius Wrote: promising transparency and then expanding illegal wiretapping programs
What illegal wiretapping programs?
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RE: Obama called war criminal & hypocrite of the century in Irish Parlament
June 23, 2013 at 12:17 am
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(June 22, 2013 at 11:29 pm)popeyespappy Wrote: (June 21, 2013 at 6:13 pm)Tiberius Wrote: promising transparency and then expanding illegal wiretapping programs
What illegal wiretapping programs?
For further explanation, Google search "Obama wiretapping".
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RE: Obama called war criminal & hypocrite of the century in Irish Parlament
June 23, 2013 at 1:10 am
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If that video was supposed to informative it failed miserably. I got about 3 and half minutes in before I had enough listening to fat boys rant about his fantasies of other people stroking his cock before I gave up.
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) is a law that makes it legal for the US government to monitor the telephone calls and email of non US citizens without a warrant. The NSA obtained a warrant from the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) for the metadata obtained from Verizon and other carriers as required by FISA. There was nothing illegal about it.
While I'm not a big fan of FISA, FISC or Obama, I'm still waiting for someone to provide evidence of illegal wiretapping.
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RE: Obama called war criminal & hypocrite of the century in Irish Parlament
June 23, 2013 at 6:23 am
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RE: Obama called war criminal & hypocrite of the century in Irish Parlament
June 23, 2013 at 11:43 am
(June 22, 2013 at 4:35 pm)plaincents822 Wrote: (June 22, 2013 at 12:00 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: Is that why Obama has called to repeal the Authorization for Use of Military Force?
He also said he would close down Gitmo but nothing has happened on that front. He's made a lot of promises and most of them he has not kept. And those he has kept have turned out to be fairly inconsequential. If there is one thing I have learned, especially with 2nd term Obama, it's that talk is cheap. When Obama actually starts doing what he promises and what his constituents voted him in for, then I'll give him some praise.
And he has been very happy about using the AUMF, it's basically what his drone war is based off of. He also said that he wanted to refine and then ultimately repeal the AUMF, refine being the key word there. To me that means that parts of the AUMF will end up being placed permanently into legislation, so that by the time the bill is actually repealed it is a largely symbolic gesture. Think about it....why would you need to refine legislation if you plan on repealing it anyways?
Honestly I think the best thing we can do right now is vote third party. You don't have just two choices! Third parties until we can get a publicly funded no party system.
He also said he would not sign anything to further extend the AUMF. But if you dismiss that because his "talk is cheap", dismiss everything else that you said he said too.
I've voted third party for the past three elections. I live in New York anyway. My vote doesn't count for shit.
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RE: Obama called war criminal & hypocrite of the century in Irish Parlament
June 23, 2013 at 6:32 pm
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RE: Obama called war criminal & hypocrite of the century in Irish Parlament
June 24, 2013 at 8:11 am
(June 22, 2013 at 12:41 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Who was the last U.S. president who wasn't a war criminal?
Jimmy Carter
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RE: Obama called war criminal & hypocrite of the century in Irish Parlament
June 24, 2013 at 8:19 am
(June 21, 2013 at 4:56 pm)Just Chilling Wrote: Clare Daly in Irish Parliament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clare_Daly)
The video is published on 21 June 2013

This woman is on fire.
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RE: Obama called war criminal & hypocrite of the century in Irish Parlament
June 24, 2013 at 8:27 am
(June 22, 2013 at 6:07 am)Ryantology Wrote: Sometimes I want him impeached just because he frequently and spinelessly caves into GOP pressure when there is no reason to do so.
History will have to judge whether Obama was a spineless wimp who lacked any courage of his convictions, a delusional visionary who dreamed of a bipartisan utopia or a clever sell-out who suckered most of America.
His recent world tour was kind of a flop. He seemed to get a cool reception everywhere he went. Maybe he do what he did in 2010 with liberals here in America: He should tell the world to "buck up" and "stop whining". Then the Obots can come along to wag their fingers at the world and lecture them on how wonderful Obama is and if he ever fails, it's only because we just didn't support him enough.
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