Hypocrisy of Teachers

[genkaus]

What exactly do you have against teachers? This is your second "anti-teacher" thread — do you have traumatic memories of having your buttocks slapped by a nun?

Why would that be traumatic? Sounds like fun.

[Koolay]

What exactly do you have against teachers? This is your second "anti-teacher" thread — do you have traumatic memories of having your buttocks slapped by a nun?

Well you can ask me that in another thread.

But is it contradictory, yes or no?

[Zen Badger]

Yes, taxes pay for teachers.

They also pay for hospitals, roads, sewerage,water and all the bits and pieces that make up a civilization.

Unlike religion which takes your money in order to sell you a lie, at least you get a real return when you pay tax.

So I utterly fail to see the point you are trying to make.

[Koolay]

Yes, taxes pay for teachers.

They also pay for hospitals, roads, sewerage,water and all the bits and pieces that make up a civilization.

Unlike religion which takes your money in order to sell you a lie, at least you get a real return when you pay tax.

So you are saying stealing and violence is good as long as the thief gives some of what is stolen back to the victims?

So I utterly fail to see the point you are trying to make.

You do understand what I am saying. I made it very clear that the Government institution as a whole, fails it's own test of morality and thus is illogical because every action it takes is based on a contradiction in principles.

[genkaus]

So you are saying stealing and violence is good as long as the thief gives some of what is stolen back to the victims?

No, he said that taxation is good as long as the government uses a portion of the money for public welfare. I don't see anything about thieving or violence.

You do understand what I am saying. I made it very clear that the Government institution as a whole, fails it's own test of morality and thus is illogical because every action it takes is based on a contradiction in principles.

How is it possible for someone to be so wrong in one sentence?

All governments are not the same - they work on different principles and political ideals. Thus blandly declaring that all have failed the test of morality is foolish. And even if they had, it still wouldn't make it illogical.

[festive1]

Under the Constitution all tax bills must originate in Congress, specifically the House, though the Senate has some wiggle room in this regard. Representatives are elected by the people. Yes, many taxes we pay today were enacted by previous congresses, but they were still legitimate. People wanted services. The services don't pay for themselves. Representatives passed taxation bills to pay for them. Taxes are mandatory because if you have the means and are benefiting from the services you should contribute, across the board. If taxes weren't mandatory people would gain the benefits of government services without paying, which would unduly burden those that opted to pay taxes. The poor can't pay, they don't have the means. There is a difference between an inability to pay and not wanting to pay.
So what is the problem? Taxes were enacted by those elected many years ago and not by you? Boo-hoo.

[Zen Badger]

Yes, taxes pay for teachers.

They also pay for hospitals, roads, sewerage,water and all the bits and pieces that make up a civilization.

Unlike religion which takes your money in order to sell you a lie, at least you get a real return when you pay tax.

So you are saying stealing and violence is good as long as the thief gives some of what is stolen back to the victims?

So I utterly fail to see the point you are trying to make.

You do understand what I am saying. I made it very clear that the Government institution as a whole, fails it's own test of morality and thus is illogical because every action it takes is based on a contradiction in principles.

Your argument is ridiculous, since I wish to live in a civilised society I need to make my contribution in order for it to work.It is a mutual arrangement, not theft.

Or do you propose that private enterprise take over the running of society?

[Ben Davis]

If anyone has been in public sector education, you would of heard the school say to you "It is never okay for you to hit someone/to take someone's property without permission/ etc"

Yet the parents of the children have to pay for the teachers salary through involuntary taxes, otherwise they get forcefully thrown in a cage.

Some of it is also deferred stealing, as the young are put in debt by the government, having never voted or expressed any voluntary agreement to the government in their life, they are put into debt to pay off for salaries of public sector workers: teachers.

Is it not a contradiction that public school teachers would then tell children that it is not okay to initiate violence, when they them self make a living from those that do initiate violence. And in many ways support and develop the deferred stealing of children in the form of debt slavery.

If your only point is 'All taxation is theft' then your 'Teacher' analogy is a poor one. Teachers are not responsible for the mechanisms by which government enforce taxation neither do teachers provide the majority of ethical social conditioning which lead people to conclude that they shouldn't violently oppose taxation. The existence of taxation doesn't mean you can 'blame' teachers for getting paid for doing their job either; that's ridiculous.

Also, the mechanisms of student debt are associated with banking practices and interest rates, not taxation legislation.

[Koolay]

If anyone has been in public sector education, you would of heard the school say to you "It is never okay for you to hit someone/to take someone's property without permission/ etc"

Yet the parents of the children have to pay for the teachers salary through involuntary taxes, otherwise they get forcefully thrown in a cage.

Some of it is also deferred stealing, as the young are put in debt by the government, having never voted or expressed any voluntary agreement to the government in their life, they are put into debt to pay off for salaries of public sector workers: teachers.

Is it not a contradiction that public school teachers would then tell children that it is not okay to initiate violence, when they them self make a living from those that do initiate violence. And in many ways support and develop the deferred stealing of children in the form of debt slavery.

If your only point is 'All taxation is theft' then your 'Teacher' analogy is a poor one. Teachers are not responsible for the mechanisms by which government enforce taxation neither do teachers provide the majority of ethical social conditioning which lead people to conclude that they shouldn't violently oppose taxation. The existence of taxation doesn't mean you can 'blame' teachers for getting paid for doing their job either; that's ridiculous.

If you knowingly work and support a violent institution you are also guilty of the crimes committed.

Are you saying that Nazis were just doing their job too and that they weren't responsible for the actions of the Government?

Also, the mechanisms of student debt are associated with banking practices and interest rates, not taxation legislation.

No, we all share federal debt. A conservative estimate is that each newborn in USA has $50,000 of debt.

[genkaus]

If you knowingly work and support a violent institution you are also guilty of the crimes committed.

Are you saying that Nazis were just doing their job too and that they weren't responsible for the actions of the Government?

No, you are not. Even if you knowingly work for and support a violent institution (which, for the record, the government is not), you still wouldn't be guilty of any crimes unless you were the one who committed those crimes.