Zimmerman verdict: Not Guilty.

[Red Celt]

Sit up and pay attention. Did I say that lynchings were funny? Well? Did I? No. No, I didn't. Now, go back to the cheap-seats and try and keep up with the conversation.

I asked if antisocial behavior justifies the stalking and/or killing of that person.

You posted an image of a lynching as answere.

So either you thought it was funny or it is your answere hence - a yes.

My replies in this thread are often directed at more than one person (i.e. the people who can't see any fault with what Zimmerman did). In that reply, it was a response to the posting of a picture of a teenager doing what teenagers do, as if it was somehow a justification of what was done to him.

I was reminded of the lynchings (not enough years ago) of black people that were done by white people who somehow managed to justify their reasons for doing so.

Besides, some of the people in this thread might have recognised some of their kinfolk in the foreground.

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Some of the people who have "contributed" to this thread make me embarrassed to share the same planet (and genome).

Oh yeah, it's a real bummer. Damn. I wish you could leave.

Yeah, and if you think that you're actually a Christian, I'd really suggest that you go back to the New Testament in order to learn what your instruction manual says about how you should behave. Because it is nothing like your behaviour, you faux Christian, that you are.

[Drich]

He is despicably using the death of treyvon to push gun reform.

Gun reform is actually a good thing.

Then come get them.

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So tell me what your ideal gunreform would be.

Basically, just stricter gun laws that would make it harder for any nutter to purchase a weapon from a retailer.

The 'nutters' don't buy from retail. Honest hard working people do. 'Nutters' steal or buy stolen guns.

[Minimalist]

Here's a better idea!

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/17...eir-ground

If the NRA is serious about the right to bear arms, and serious about the right of self-defense being a “human right,” then the group needs to announce a new program immediately, complete with a website that takes donations of both money and guns to give to young African-Americans.

Only then, when an African-American male is profiled and stalked by creepy white men in the United States will he, too, have the ability to “stand his ground.”

And Drippy, was it your fucking hero jesus who said "stand your ground" or was it "turn the other cheek." You are such a hotshot xtian asswipe I am sure you have the answer.

[A Theist]

I asked if antisocial behavior justifies the stalking and/or killing of that person.

You posted an image of a lynching as answere.

So either you thought it was funny or it is your answere hence - a yes.

My replies in this thread are often directed at more than one person (i.e. the people who can't see any fault with what Zimmerman did). In that reply, it was a response to the posting of a picture of a teenager doing what teenagers do, as if it was somehow a justification of what was done to him.

I was reminded of the lynchings (not enough years ago) of black people that were done by white people who somehow managed to justify their reasons for doing so.

Besides, some of the people in this thread might have recognised some of their kinfolk in the foreground.

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Oh yeah, it's a real bummer. Damn. I wish you could leave.

Yeah, and if you think that you're actually a Christian, I'd really suggest that you go back to the New Testament in order to learn what your instruction manual says about how you should behave. Because it is nothing like your behaviour, you faux Christian, that you are.

I'd really suggest that you go back to the New Testament in order to learn what your instruction manual says about how you should behave. Because it is nothing like your behaviour,

Yep, won't argue with you there.

[Drich]

Here's a better idea!

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/17...eir-ground

If the NRA is serious about the right to bear arms, and serious about the right of self-defense being a “human right,” then the group needs to announce a new program immediately, complete with a website that takes donations of both money and guns to give to young African-Americans.

Only then, when an African-American male is profiled and stalked by creepy white men in the United States will he, too, have the ability to “stand his ground.”

And Drippy, was it your fucking hero jesus who said "stand your ground" or was it "turn the other cheek." You are such a hotshot xtian asswipe I am sure you have the answer.

Stand your ground did not apply to the Zimmerman defense. George had a legal right to question and even follow/watch treyvon as a neighborhood watch captain until the police had arrived. Zimmermans case was based on basic life endanger self defense because someone lost control of himself. Nothing leading up to treyvon loosing his mind on George gave treyvon the right to beat George as he did. If anything treyvon's case could have been built around stand your ground, IF he did indeed have a legal right to be in that community. Which he did not.

Jesus also told his disciples to sell their cloak and buy a sword to defend themselves if they did not have one, just after the Last passover in luke 22. Turning your cheek is not the same as defending your life. But you already know that as we have already had this very discussion a couple different times now.

[Rahul]

Only on the US Census and cases of a black person being killed in modern day, hyperly overly sensitive, PC America is a hispanic person considered any form of "white".

"This was a wetback killing a colored kid." -I say this to draw attention to what kind of ethnic groups the average "white" Americans normally call these ethnic groups.

What is widely considered to be white Americans by Americans had nothing to do with this. Including "white hispanics". Hispanics don't consider themselves to be anything near like non-hispanic white Americans. They would probably be insulted by you telling them that.

If a non-hispanic white had killed a hispanic white, NO ONE would refer to the hispanic white as "white". It would read, "White person killed a hispanic or latino!" It would never say, "A white non-hispanic killed a white hispanic!"

That's not a story. That doesn't grab people's attention. That's not going to sell papers and ad space. The word is "sensationalize"! The motto is, "If it bleeds, it leads."

You would barely even realize Zimmerman was a hispanic at all. All the headlines scream, "White! Kills Black! Racism! Profiling! Skittles!"

Go check the news media about the state of Arizona and it's immigration law and racial profiling. See if a single one of them refers to any hispanic people as white.

"White" people are traditionally and currently still the majority of people in the US. For another decade or two. Hispanics and African Americans are not considered white in America. Hispanics are not considered white at all except for the news media to sensationalize shit.

[Minimalist]

Jesus also told his disciples to sell their cloak and buy a sword to defend themselves if they did not have one

That makes "jesus" as big a hypocrite as you.

[FlyingNarwhal]

I'm just gonna put some info out there.

1.OK first thing, there was no reason that this case had to involve race at all. As far as we know Zimmerman said nothing racist to the kid, and though we can speculate the reason that he followed Martin was for racial reasons that is all it is, just speculation.

2. When Zimmerman responded that he was following Martin he was just told "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman was never ordered to stay in his car, and even if he had been ordered by the officer he doesn't have the legal authority to tell a citizen to stay in his car if that citizen has done nothing illegal. It is not illegal to follow someone you think is acting suspiciously.

3. A witness saw Martin on top of Zimmerman and Zimmerman was yelling for help. The attack is evidential in Zimmerman having sustained several injuries to the face. On a side note, I have personally taken a look at the photo of Trayvon dead in the grass and there are no injuries to his face at all which in my opinion support Zimmerman's account of Martin being the initial aggressor.

This entire thing has been blown to ridiculous levels.

[smax]

That's kinda what the neighborhood watch is smoothie, it's elected neighbors who have been voted by a given neighborhood to play cop for them without any pay. They check doors and generally look out for things or people who do not belong, then report them. George was elected for his community. He was doing what his neighbors wanted him to do.

Just because his neighbors wanted it, that justifies and gives him police level authority?

That does not give anyone else the right to beat him mercilessly because they physically can.

Why not? If you feel Zimmerman has the right to impose himself upon another individual, why shouldn't another individual be allowed to impose himself upon Zimmerman for actions he felt were wrong?

You see, this is why you can't have people taking matters of law and order into their own hands. People perceive wrong and right differently, and people have different values.

I'm sure Trayvon Martin felt it was wrong for Zimmerman, a mere citizen, to question him about anything.

Also, I think your take on this matter unwittingly advocates the actions of gang bangers and thugs, who are also "Neighborhood Watch Officials".

All treyvon's had to do is leave. Pride is what made him 'stand his ground' and attack George.

All George had to do was report the suspicious behavior to the police and let them handle it. A baseless sense of authority and purpose is what made him pursue and harrass an individual that, after further review, wasn't actually guilty of any related crime.

Now, I'm sure you are thinking: oh well, Trayvon is the one who paid the price, not George, so the results speak to who was right and wrong in this case.

Don't be so sure about that. Events like this tend to shape societies, and not in a good way.

This event will serve to create a more violent and less civilized society. That I have no doubt of.

[Creed of Heresy]

Oh you guys. No, I'm not saying his rebellious tendencies [which would be putting the actual truth of his life up to the ending of it very mildly, really] are any justification for what happened. I'm just saying that the constant portrayals of him as some sweet little kid are hilariously misleading. In light of the recent comments made by Obama, I feel it's necessary to remind people he was not the saint everyone seems have wanted him to be.

Little from column A, little from column B sort of thing.