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Blind faith and evolution
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 Quote:it is not that human life came out from the wave of physical development but it is the consciousness that drive this development. Everything we know so far about consciousness indicates that it is produced solely by the physical brain. Therefore the development of the human brain through evolution IS the sole driver. Not vice versa. Quote:This contradict those who believe that there is no reincarnation and no goal in life. Not believing in reincarnation or the supernatural does NOT mean there is no goal in life. Believing that the only way for there to be meaning to life is to have your individual soul live on forever is an arrogant and egocentric way of thinking.
Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise; what it is it wouldn't be, and what it wouldn't be, it would. -Alice
 RE: Blind faith and evolution
September 27, 2013 at 5:10 am
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2013 at 6:46 am by bennyboy.)
I think a good case can be made for idealism. If you are a physical monist, you have to do pretty elaborate (read: bullshit) jumping jacks to explain how actual subjective experience is a physical thing, since it is exactly not what is meant by "physical." In an idealistic universe, there's no such conflict: every physical thing, and every consistent pattern (i.e. the ones science deals with), still makes perfect sense as an idea, since that's how we experience everything anyway.
For example, we normally study the motion of objects, and ascribe momentum as the property of an object: the spaceship has a momentum of _____. However, the math can also be seeing as UNDERLYING the motion of the objects, i.e. that the objects are manifestations of the math. And yet the math cannot be seen, except as it is expressed as the apparent properties of objects. This underlying math is called physics, but what underlies it? It is necessary what that can be seen cannot underly itself. Therefore something unseen underlies it. That's metaphysics. And it's necessarily real. Now, that doesn't mean Sky Daddy. But it does mean that observation as a means of determining absolute truth necessarily fails. Science cannot determine, ever, absolute truth.  (September 26, 2013 at 10:26 am)Rationalman Wrote:(September 26, 2013 at 6:42 am)enrico Wrote: I am talking about evolution of consciousness and the way that suppose to be build up.This is something you have invented yourself, unless you can demonstrate it or have evidence of it, shut the fuck up. So, you inherit the conscious that you have just because of human evolution. That would be nice, isn't it. See how cretin you are!!! In other words there is no need for you to go through the hard work to develop the consciousness step by step BY YOU and not by the wave of human evolution. Is a bit like doing the home work for your son so he get the job done without learning anything. It remind me those people that after winning million at the lotto waste everything in a short time because they never learn how to manage the money. Grow up pal and don't waste that knowledge that you build up in previous lives. 
"Grow up"!
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
RE: Blind faith and evolution
September 27, 2013 at 10:20 am
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2013 at 10:25 am by Little Rik.)
(September 27, 2013 at 5:10 am)bennyboy Wrote: I think a good case can be made for idealism. If you are a physical monist, you have to do pretty elaborate (read: bullshit) jumping jacks to explain how actual subjective experience is a physical thing, since it is exactly not what is meant by "physical." In an idealistic universe, there's no such conflict: every physical thing, and every consistent pattern (i.e. the ones science deals with), still makes perfect sense as an idea, since that's how we experience everything anyway. It is obvious to me that science........cannot determine, ever, absolute truth. How can truth belong to an illusory dimension as this physical universe?  (September 27, 2013 at 10:08 am)Stimbo Wrote: "Grow up"! Stimbo, Stimbo my beard is GROWING longer and longer by waiting your reply about the meaning of love of wisdom. Will i ever get an answer?  hock:
Due to unforeseen circumstances I now make a charge for prophecies (plus I gotta make a profit). I can link you to my PayPal details if you like. Reasonable rates. Well, reasonable for me anyway.
Until then, I see no point in diddling with your little herring.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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Compulsive procrastinator  Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope? (September 27, 2013 at 9:57 am)enrico Wrote: So, you inherit the conscious that you have just because of human evolution. Incoherent ramblings again, why am i not surprised?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech 
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould  Quote:See how cretin you are!!! I just have one question. What is your native language and...are you illiterate in that one, too? |
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