Time For Whites To Wake Up

[frankiej]

I think every single form of racism is utterly wrong. It doesn't matter if we are talking about beating up a person because of their skin color, or teasing a person for it.

I agree with much of what you have said so far, but I am intrigued to find out what your opinion is on racist jokes in comedy?

[A Theist]

I dont think it is worth replying to you in this thread anymore, you are unwilling to present counters and to reply properly to arguments and what the hell am I suposed to learn here

How can you and others here claim to want a serious and open debate on racism when you begin the dialogue with preconceived biases like the one you posted below in another thread? You don't really want an honest discussion when you start it off with a childish and politically selective attack on a group of people you don't agree with. What you want is to dictate terms for a one way discussion with people who agree with you. Your postings have shown that you're not really interested in hearing the other side. You and others here aren't interested in listening to actual facts in this debate, especially when it comes to the Zimmerman case. You guys just want to hear yourselves blather on with your childish rantings.

I would like to have a serious debate on racism in modern societies which is not overshadowed by the fantasies of a right wing inmature historic revisionist.

[kılıç_mehmet]

I think every single form of racism is utterly wrong. It doesn't matter if we are talking about beating up a person because of their skin color, or teasing a person for it.

I agree with much of what you have said so far, but I am intrigued to find out what your opinion is on racist jokes in comedy?

Are there any in "mainstream" comedy?
I know of a lot of jokes we make about our minorities here, though I don't think anyone would dare to do them on TV.
Once a politician made a joke about a religious minority that played on an ancient misnomer about them swapping their wives, and soon large scales riots erupted.

[Napoléon]

I agree with much of what you have said so far, but I am intrigued to find out what your opinion is on racist jokes in comedy?

I've personally wondered what would happen if they made a sequel to "white chicks", and it was called "black chicks"...

[frankiej]

I agree with much of what you have said so far, but I am intrigued to find out what your opinion is on racist jokes in comedy?

Are there any in "mainstream" comedy?
I know of a lot of jokes we make about our minorities here, though I don't think anyone would dare to do them on TV.
Once a politician made a joke about a religious minority that played on an ancient misnomer about them swapping their wives, and soon large scales riots erupted.

Mainstream comedy here is full of stereotyping and I don't see it as a bad thing. Either everything is okay to joke about or nothing is. I don't draw lines. People are always so quick to say how offended they feel after seeing a comedian nowadays... who would have thought that the motherfucker on stage telling jokes is actually only joking?

[FlyingNarwhal]

Some people don't realize that a stand up routine is very much an act. You sometimes play a character or exaggeration of yourself. Getting mad at a stand-up for racist, or any other offensive joke would be like calling Edward Norton a racist because he played a skinhead in American History X.

[Napoléon]

Some people don't realize that a stand up routine is very much an act. You sometimes play a character or exaggeration of yourself. Getting mad at a stand-up for racist, or any other offensive joke would be like calling Edward Norton a racist because he played a skinhead in American History X.

I don't particularly see the question that way. It's not necessarily about taking offence. People will do that regardless.

I think it's more about what FNM alluded to. Is it conducive and constructive to keep highlighting these 'differences' in the form of stereotypes if we want to eliminate racism?

[kılıç_mehmet]

Are there any in "mainstream" comedy?
I know of a lot of jokes we make about our minorities here, though I don't think anyone would dare to do them on TV.
Once a politician made a joke about a religious minority that played on an ancient misnomer about them swapping their wives, and soon large scales riots erupted.

Mainstream comedy here is full of stereotyping and I don't see it as a bad thing. Either everything is okay to joke about or nothing is. I don't draw lines. People are always so quick to say how offended they feel after seeing a comedian nowadays... who would have thought that the motherfucker on stage telling jokes is actually only joking?

It's okay by me, though when two people laugh and another one is to have a sad face, I rather think twice before making the said joke, even if I hate the said minority group, I am not prone to break hearts in the name of personal opinions.

[FlyingNarwhal]

Some people don't realize that a stand up routine is very much an act. You sometimes play a character or exaggeration of yourself. Getting mad at a stand-up for racist, or any other offensive joke would be like calling Edward Norton a racist because he played a skinhead in American History X.

I don't particularly see the question that way. It's not necessarily about taking offence. People will do that regardless.

I think it's more about what FNM alluded to. Is it conducive and constructive to keep highlighting these 'differences' in the form of stereotypes if we want to eliminate racism?

Yes, I would like to think so. People take race way too seriously sometimes. I think it's healthy to lay out some stereotypes in a comedic setting. It kinda helps break the barriers we have erected between races to throw racial humor around.

[Something completely different]

How can you and others here claim to want a serious and open debate on racism when you begin the dialogue with preconceived biases like the one you posted below in another thread?

Bias?!?!!!!!!!!!! YOU are the one who started a thread based on some braindead shit you sucked down from the rotten cock of Rupert Murdock!!!
Worst off all, YOU started a thread claiming that there was discrimination against whites from blacks and didn`t provide a single fucking shred of evidence! And when confronted with that, you just started slandering about others as if they were the ones responsible for you not having no evidence that proves the correctnes of the Murdock cum you spat accross this thread!!!!

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You don't really want an honest discussion when you start it off with a childish and politically selective attack on a group of people you don't agree with.

Are you fucking braindead!!!! Read your own fucking entry of this thread! It is a:

selective attack on a group of people you don't agree with

Adding to that,like mentioned before, YOU put forward the idea of a race based conspiracy, YOU didn`t back your claims up, YOU started slandering against others when confronted with that.

And in the end, when I argued that with a nations history comes historical responsiblity added to ones citizenship - you just kept whining on about how mean I was without providing any argument which debunked my claim to historic responsiblity! Grow up boy! This a debate and not some fucking playground in which you can start whining when you run out of things to say to justify yourself and your sick views!!!

What you want is to dictate terms for a one way discussion with people who agree with you.

The terms of debate have been clear since ever since mankind started arguing:

an argument - is followed by a counterargument - which is then followed by another counter - which is repeated until one proves right or a compromise is found

You failed and probably are either unwilling to participate or to dumb or simply dont have a counter and resort to desperatly trying to possition yourself in the moralising possition of being an authority over how debates are made!!!

Your postings have shown that you're not really interested in hearing the other side.

I have read your posts. I provided counterarguments, you refused to counter those, because your pundits cannot give you the required talkingpoints that would fit or you are to dumb to think or even (unlikely) reason some out of your mind.

You and others here aren't interested in listening to actual facts in this debate,

HOW DARE YOU FUCKING TALK ABOUT FUCKING FACTS YOU *censored*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT IS YOU! WHO REFUSED TO PRESENT FACTS!!!!!

especially when it comes to the Zimmerman case. You guys just want to hear yourselves blather on with your childish rantings.

The only thing I said about the Zimmerman case was that a society in which a black kid with a hoody is seen as "up to no good".
And where it is alright for every dude with nothing to do to play cop.

Is fucked up.

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