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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 18, 2013 at 2:42 am
(August 17, 2013 at 1:37 pm)Undeceived Wrote: What about optical illusions? Or how about this: does everything exist exactly as you see it? The sun looks perfectly spherical--are we justified in believing it is indeed a sphere? Can you confidently call a rock a rock without examining it to the last atom? Where do you draw the line between a rock and a boulder? Is that line verifiable... or do you the categories come from your head?
Of course there's a level of subjectivity involved, this isn't an exact science or anything. Some might look at a rock and call it a pebble, or a stone, or any other number of descriptors; what matters is, we're both seeing the same object, and our other senses interact with it in ways that correspond with our initial sight; we can touch it, taste it, etc etc.
No matter the fine details; sense evidence is good for verifying existential claims, even if additional investigation is required to pick out everything about the thing in question. As for optical illusions, you might be seeing something that isn't there, but it won't have a physical presence that corresponds to any of your other senses, which should be your first hint that something is up.
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 18, 2013 at 4:21 am
(August 10, 2013 at 3:13 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: This thread is a huge thank you to all non Christians who support us Christians (and possibly all theists) by constantly banging on about there not being any verifiable evidence of God.
No matter how many times you say it, there are still people out there with other idiotic ideas about there being verifiable evidence.
So thanks a lot guys, your support it very much appreciated!
Exactly, just like we accept Abiogenesis without a shred of evidence!
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 18, 2013 at 10:19 am
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(August 18, 2013 at 1:47 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Intellectual dishonesty is something I absolutely can't stand.
You're being an ass FTR
But I'm glad you finally got it (over in the parallel thread )
(August 18, 2013 at 1:47 am)FallentoReason Wrote: fr0d0, I have one last question. If you could, please respond to this statement with a simple "true" or "false":
God won't act in a given situation if it means being discovered.
I can answer neither true nor false to that loaded question.
God can act in any situation and never be discovered, because that's how he always works.
Considering he made the situation in the first place, if he needed to change it, he would craft it with the option to be changed. He is timeless, so there is never a situation that he doesn't have complete control over.
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 18, 2013 at 10:34 am
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What I don't understand is what evidence do you have to take anything on faith in the first place? Why the bible and not something else to believe in for absolutely no reason?
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 18, 2013 at 10:52 am
fr0d0 Wrote:God can act in any situation and never be discovered, because that's how he always works.
Oh, you mean like the gnomes that make my grass grow?
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 18, 2013 at 11:01 am
He can do it because that's how he works by definition.
He is defined as being undetectable so we have no reason to doubt him and we just take him on faith if we feel like it. Don't you get it FTR? Duh!
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 18, 2013 at 11:17 am
EVF Wrote:He is defined as being undetectable so we have no reason to doubt him and we just take him on faith if we feel like it. Don't you get it FTR? Duh!
Absolutely, so maybe you should start believing in those gnomes already. After all, your grass might *seem* like it grew on its own... but we all know what's really happening!
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 18, 2013 at 11:20 am
(August 18, 2013 at 11:17 am)FallentoReason Wrote: EVF Wrote:He is defined as being undetectable so we have no reason to doubt him and we just take him on faith if we feel like it. Don't you get it FTR? Duh!
Absolutely, so maybe you should start believing in those gnomes already. After all, your grass might *seem* like it grew on its own... but we all know what's really happening!
And apparently, since responding to this very thing seems to be beneath Frodo, that's just evidence of the gnomes using their amazing supernaturally natural and unverifiable powers to stop him trying to discredit the gnomes!
All hail the gnomes!
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 18, 2013 at 11:33 am
(August 18, 2013 at 10:19 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I can answer neither true nor false to that loaded question.
God can act in any situation and never be discovered, because that's how he always works.
Considering he made the situation in the first place, if he needed to change it, he would craft it with the option to be changed. He is timeless, so there is never a situation that he doesn't have complete control over.
How do we discern any difference between undetectable and non-existent?
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RE: No verifiable evidence is the Christian position
August 18, 2013 at 11:33 am
(August 18, 2013 at 10:34 am)EvidenceVersusFaith Wrote: What I don't understand is what evidence do you have to take anything on faith in the first place? Why the bible and not something else to believe in for absolutely no reason?
Your second sentence makes no sense. I presume you're asking the old clichéd question about how one chooses one set of directions over another. This rich source if evidence all focuses on the same subject. Some is weak and some is unbreakably (so far) strong. We would have to gravitate toward the best answer or suffer cognitive dissonance. That's why I choose the bible as my source.
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