Is Hell Really a Bad Place?

[The Reality Salesman01]

GC, let's take these forums for an example. You may have the illusion of free will on here because you apparently have the ability to post whatever you want. But with that being said, one of the posts you've chosen to put up violates forum rules, and then you're banned. Do you still have the choice to come back and post some more, or was your free will an illusion all along? The latter is true, because you can't post anymore. You never had free will in the first place. No matter where we go we are bound by rules. Do we have choices? Sure we do. Are they all consequence free? Hell no. Christianity is not consequence free, so there is no free will in it either.

This has to be the most insane, unreasoned statement I've ever heard.

GC

One of the illusions of free will, is the idea that you could have acted differently. But, you couldn't. Whatever it was that you picked, you would have picked it anyway, no matter how free you think you were to do otherwise, and would not have any idea why you chose what you chose. In fact, the decision would have been made before your conscious self was even aware of it. Did you really not watch the video? You fit the Christian stereotype to the T. Intellectually lazy.

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[Bad Writer]

GC, let's take these forums for an example. You may have the illusion of free will on here because you apparently have the ability to post whatever you want. But with that being said, one of the posts you've chosen to put up violates forum rules, and then you're banned. Do you still have the choice to come back and post some more, or was your free will an illusion all along? The latter is true, because you can't post anymore. You never had free will in the first place. No matter where we go we are bound by rules. Do we have choices? Sure we do. Are they all consequence free? Hell no. Christianity is not consequence free, so there is no free will in it either.

This has to be the most insane, unreasoned statement I've ever heard.

GC

That's what we're sayin. Free will is bogus and insane.

[Captain Colostomy]

Are turd sandwiches more palatable when you don't dwell on the ingredients?

Apparently 'yes'.

[The Reality Salesman01]

LMAO. You're fucking nuts. I do like it.

[LostLocke]

Why do you believe that God is not bound by the truth of His law, not the laws He gave man to live by, but actually who He is.

If god is omnipotent and the very top of all order, he sets his own laws. If he has constrains that he must work within, he not omnipotent.

Judges are always reworking the judicial system in many ways.

That they are. But they can't just snap their fingers and have something changed. There are processes and systems they have to go through not enact something.

God did not create the system one is judged by, one is judged by the righteousness of God, God was not created and neither was His justice.

So, god is not the one who determines who/what is good or bad?
Is it impossible for him to alter the terms?
Again, if it is impossible, he is not omnipotent. If it is possible, then it's a decision he makes as to who/what is good or bad.

That's not what God said to Adam and Eve, but maybe it was in the book you were reading, seeing how the JWs rewrote the Bible to suit them.

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”-NIV

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat[a] of it you shall surely die.”-ESV



15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.-KJV

I'm having a hard time finding the version that ends with..."in the day you eat it you shall surely be tormented forever"...

[Faith No More]

I'm stating truths, if you want to call that arrogance then please by all means do, it does nothing to prove your point though. I would think He would be pleased because I'm making a stand for what is truthful.

No, it is not what you say that is arrogant. It is the manner with which you say it, but I suspect such nuances are lost on you. If you think Jesus is pleased with narcissism, proceed as you have.

How could you possibly know anything about a being you do not believe exists, could you have been more contradictory, I think not. God is bound by who He is, that is how He can judge with objective truth.

God is bound by who he is, huh? Previously you said that god is someone that doesn't want to send people to hell. What part of him is bound to do so?

[Godscreated]

How could you possibly know anything about a being you do not believe exists, could you have been more contradictory, I think not. God is bound by who He is, that is how He can judge with objective truth.

God is bound by who he is, huh? Previously you said that god is someone that doesn't want to send people to hell. What part of him is bound to do so?

Justice!

GC

[sarcasticgeographer]

My subconscious has no agenda, I'm a conscious moral agent free to make conscious decisions. Where I was raised was a blessing, it allowed me to find God in a more timely way and less dangerous than some other countries. Where I was born has nothing to do with finding God, because in actuality God came to me.

Look at my bolded part and tell me exactly how this is to be considered free will, if your god came to you?

[Godscreated]

Why do you believe that God is not bound by the truth of His law, not the laws He gave man to live by, but actually who He is.

If god is omnipotent and the very top of all order, he sets his own laws. If he has constrains that he must work within, he not omnipotent.

So you believe that God isn't omnipotent because He refuses to do what is against Himself. Just because He refuses to do a thing doesn't mean He can't, it means He has the justice and love not go against who He is. Don't you know this is why God said for man to be Holy as He is Holy.

Judges are always reworking the judicial system in many ways.

That they are. But they can't just snap their fingers and have something changed. There are processes and systems they have to go through not enact something.

Lower court judges try and change things on a whim at times, that's why the higher courts are overturning their bad judgement.

God did not create the system one is judged by, one is judged by the righteousness of God, God was not created and neither was His justice.

So, god is not the one who determines who/what is good or bad?
Is it impossible for him to alter the terms?
Again, if it is impossible, he is not omnipotent. If it is possible, then it's a decision he makes as to who/what is good or bad.

Of coarse He does, I said God determines what is good and evil by who He is, not by some arbitrary subjective process, justice is set because of who God is.

That's not what God said to Adam and Eve, but maybe it was in the book you were reading, seeing how the JWs rewrote the Bible to suit them.

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”-NIV

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat[a] of it you shall surely die.”-ESV



15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.-KJV

I'm having a hard time finding the version that ends with..."in the day you eat it you shall surely be tormented forever"...

I think you will never find a translation that states otherwise, unless you find one miss translated. Those verses do not say there will not be a eternal punishment, but then your cherry picking is the only way you can justify something that's not true.
Matthew 25: 45 Then He will answer them, saying, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' 46. And these will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

Now if God let those who die in sin stay dead then how is that an eternal punishment, don't you think it's hard to punish a dead man. What about the coming judgement of mankind, I do not know of a place in scripture that says the dead in sin will escape the judgement.

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Look at my bolded part and tell me exactly how this is to be considered free will, if your god came to you?

No man can find God unless He seeks them out, it's the same for everyone. God sought me and I listened to His offer and accepted it, others have done the same and refused it, which I could have done. There have been times God has made offers to me and I turned them down (now with regret), so you see I have not always said yes to God. God has never forced me to make the right decisions, if He had what kind of God would He be.

[Thor]

No man can find God unless He seeks them out, it's the same for everyone.

Blather unsupported by evidence.

God sought me and I listened to His offer and accepted it,

Really? So, this deity personally came to you and made you an "offer"? He spoke to you?

There have been times God has made offers to me and I turned them down (now with regret), so you see I have not always said yes to God.

What were these offers? Eternal happiness? Riches? A set of Ginsu knives?

God has never forced me to make the right decisions, if He had what kind of God would He be.

Well, he's the kind of god who kills children, does nothing to prevent disasters and gives a big thumbs up to owning slaves.