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Is this ok in a democratic society?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23776063
http://www.spiegel.de/international/worl...17689.html From this side of the channel the UK goverment seems to be more and more forgetting what democracy is and turning into a 51st state of the US. 
You know the short answer is NO / Nein!
Globally ALL governments are worried...I wonder what is about to be exposed 
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 (August 21, 2013 at 5:42 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: From this side of the channel the UK goverment seems to be more and more forgetting what democracy is and turning into a 51st state of the US. Anything to better our "special" relationship with America. Besides, does anyone seriously expect that they wouldn't do this? Democracy? Lol. 
I hope more shit about the government gets leaked, piss em off.
 (August 21, 2013 at 5:42 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: From this side of the channel the UK goverment seems to be more and more forgetting what democracy is and turning into a 51st state of the US. I suspect this is much more widespread than you think, and only a few countries have been caught with their pants down.
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 Quote:Meanwhile, the partner of a Guardian journalist held for nine hours at Heathrow airport under anti-terror laws on Sunday has described his "feeling of invasion" after being forced to divulge email and social media account passwords. Kind of ironic, heh.
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-Stephen Jay Gould (August 21, 2013 at 8:14 am)Faith No More Wrote:(August 21, 2013 at 5:42 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: From this side of the channel the UK goverment seems to be more and more forgetting what democracy is and turning into a 51st state of the US. I dont think so. A thing like this would never happen in France, Spain, Portugal, Italy and the Scandinavian countries. Maybe in the Netherlands. And in Germany, the chancelor is currently undertaking every single move possible in politics to weasle herself out of any connection to this. I dont know how much you get in your news on German politics, but the extent to which the NSA was cooperating with the German intelligence services will almoust definatly cost Merkel the election if she cannot provide evidence that her goverment was not involved. Germans are as big on the right to privacy as some Americans are on the right to bear arms. As Lenin once said "A revolution is impossible in Germany because it is considered a crime there to look at your neighbours garden." The UK is pritty much the only country on this continent which somehow thinks that it is alright to surrender national sovereignty and the rights of it`s citzisens to a other nation. And it makes the entire matter only stink more that it is the UK which constantly keeps bitching about how other European countries are supposedly "taking the UK`s sovereignty".
Not in France, eh?
Quote:France's foreign intelligence service intercepts computer and telephone data on a vast scale, like the controversial US Prism programme, according to the French daily Le Monde. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23178284 Don't be so naive.
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Some people have unwavering patriotism toward their country and especially toward what they view as a perfect government. Unfortunately, power does corrupt, especially when mere humans become entangled in its corrupted web.
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August 21, 2013 at 9:13 am
(This post was last modified: August 21, 2013 at 10:05 am by Something completely different.)
(August 21, 2013 at 8:28 am)Faith No More Wrote: Not in France, eh? You are willingly ignoring the fact that the NSA is a foreign intelligence service in Europe. I do not deny that countries have intelligence services which collect data on it`s population and I certainly do not doubt that the French intelligence services are gathering information on their own citizens. Yet the French are not giving the NSA a free card on spying on French citizens let alone helping to sabotage the efforts of the press to uncover such actions. My point being: France is not giving up it`s sovereignty and it`s citizens rights to be fucked arround with by the NSA with the consent of the French goverment. |
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