What if Jesus had failed?

[Drich]

If the mechanical process was all that was required, then what happens to the souls of men like David, (a man after God's own heart) Abraham, Isac, Jacob, Moses, Daniel, and everyone else not under this new covenant/mechanical/Christian scrifice???

I agree that David was a man after god's own heart. He certainly acted the part.

In any case, are you saying that god cannot forgive sins without a physical sacrifice, or that he refuses to do so?

Also, those who were under the OT laws (Moses, David, etc) presumably performed the necessary sacrifices with the proper frame of mind and were cleansed by the final cost of sin, which is death. Why would they need Jesus to atone for sins that they paid for, possibly twice?

Abraham, Isac, Jacob, Joseph, Nathaniel, and on and on were not under the law yet they still sinned... Not to mention The penality for adultry was death of the adulturers no animal in under that covenant could cover that sin. A sin both David and soloman were guilty of...

[Minimalist]

The 'word' in Koine greek that we translate into 'generation' is:γενεά genea which can mean:

As predicted...Drippy dipping into his Apologetic Shitbag of Silly Excuses for Why The Bible is Right.

[Sword of Christ]

If Jesus had failed it would be safe to say he was a false prophet and not the real deal. Though certainly some false prophets such as Mohammed, Joesph Smith and L Ron Hubbard did succeed to varying degrees, mainly by copying and pasting already existing theologies and narratives. A good portion of the Book of Mormon is lifted right out of the King James Bible.

[Minimalist]

The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5).

He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1).

He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18).

He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm

I make "jesus" 0-4.

[Faith No More]

If Jesus had failed it would be safe to say he was a false prophet and not the real deal. Though certainly some false prophets such as Mohammed, Joesph Smith and L Ron Hubbard did succeed to varying degrees, mainly by copying and pasting already existing theologies and narratives. A good portion of the Book of Mormon is lifted right out of the King James Bible.

But how do you explain all of the similarities of Christianity with the religions and narratives that came before it? You are accusing other religions of being guilty of crimes your religion has also committed.

In fact, what many Christians tout as Jesus' greatest accomplishment, the golden rule, predates the era of Christ and can be found in much older religions.

[Anomalocaris]

Could even one so diluded, maglomaniacal, and unhinged as Jesus claim with a straight face to have succeeded when his followers consists of the likes of drippy, GC, and Wordork?

[Ryantology]

If any action on God's part causes him spiritual pain, that asserts limitations and weaknesses in God. A truly all-powerful and all-knowing being could not go through 'spiritual pain' if his every act is good, just and righteous because there can be no doubt or reluctance.

Look at the Story of the Prodigal son. The 'Father' was pained by the son's decision to leave, and over joyed when he returned. Even though the Father was pained at His sons departure, it does not mean the Father lost his position as the Father, just because he felt pain.

Nope. God knows everything that will ever happen because he is responsible for everything that happens. He is the prime mover. It is illogical to be pained by something that happens exactly as you design it to happen and for the reasons you designed it to happen, and he could have prevented it anyway, with total ease, had he wanted to. If he is truly pained by anything, it means that his omni-qualities and perfection are falsehoods because such a being should be impossible to surprise, even with free will in the equation.

How can you possiably know what it did or did not cost God if you refuse to accept anything written in the bible about it?

The very idea of cost to an all-powerful and all-knowing God is illogical. His time and resources and power are supposed to be infinite. Nothing can cost such a being any kind of effort.

Don't blame me because your shit doesn't make sense. I didn't invent it.

[Sword of Christ]

But how do you explain all of the similarities of Christianity with the religions and narratives that came before it? You are accusing other religions of being guilty of crimes your religion has also committed.

The Jews "copied" a few myths and folktales from the near east and Babylon but it was with an important monotheistical twist when they did do this. Jesus was a revolutionary and reformer within Judaism, as he was a Jewish Rabbi himself he wasn't particularly copying anything at all. Mohammed and Joesph Smith just took chunks of the Bible/Torah and re-mastered them basically. It's fairly obvious to see that this was a deliberate manufacture on their part.

In fact, what many Christians tout as Jesus' greatest accomplishment, the golden rule, predates the era of Christ and can be found in much older religions.

True though I don't think Jesus knew anything about Confucianism or whatever else, his inspiration was the Jewish Torah and God/himself. It's just a universal truth and certain enlightened individuals throughout the world through the Holy Spirit have come to understand and preach it. Though you no doubt think morality is essentially just your own opinion, or the opinion of a collective culture of which you're part and/or something to do with evolutionary programming. Without God that's all it can be I suppose.

[Minimalist]

The Jews "copied" a few myths and folktales from the near east and Babylon but it was with an important monotheistical twist when they did do this.

They seem to have learned that from the Zoroastrian Persians. It is nothing by re-cycled shit.

[Ryantology]

It's just a universal truth and certain enlightened individuals throughout the world through the Holy Spirit have come to understand and preach it.

And, how do we know that Christians aren't getting some universal understanding which originates from another god? Or from none at all?