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September 4, 2013 at 4:12 pm
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(August 28, 2013 at 7:00 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I don't want to accuse you of being a po. But in my 12 years of online debate I have seen many intro's from po's that resemble this.
Why do you bother?Because some humans in the past bothered to say things like "The earth rotates around the sun". And "Slavery is wrong", and "Women should be allowed to vote".
Why bother? Because if our species never questioned social norms our species never would have left the caves.
What is a po?
First, I'd like to thank everyone for the replies.
I've been feeling apathetic for a while now. I was never extremely religious, just a standard bland christian upbringing, but since I really became an atheist I've struggled with being a void. It's like I'm looking for an absolute where none exists.
I'll post more later, I'd like to talk a bit more about this.
Thanks again.
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September 5, 2013 at 2:56 am
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September 5, 2013 at 4:46 pm
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I believe Brian was referring to "Poe's Law," which states that it is impossible to differentiate between a fundamentalist and a parody of a fundamentalist without the inclusion of a smiley or some other obvious sign that it is a parody. These days, the term "Poe" gets thrown around as a synonym for someone online pretending to religious views that they do not hold, such as a fundamentalist posing as an atheist. Such people are loosely referred to as 'Poes'.
I differ from the typical atheist in response to these questions, beyond the fact that I am religious, but don't feel like composing a substantive response. If you are interested in a serious discussion of these questions, I suggest you start a thread on the topic outside of the introduction section of the forum. Special etiquette applies to intro threads, and that your question is posed here may lead to it being ignored by many users who, seeing the thread type, assume it does not contain discussion about substantive matters. (You may also request the moderators move or split the thread, with or without retitling, so that the substantive discussion is more readily recognized and contributed to by others.)
Welcome, and good luck.
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RE: Hi there, i'm new
September 5, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Quote:Such people are loosely referred to as 'Poes'.
Or, dumbfucks....which is my personal favorite.
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September 5, 2013 at 8:21 pm
What kind of purpose can be derived from a life without religion? Only proximate meaning, never ultimate.
What kind of meaning comes from being the current state of DNA that's simply trying to further its line? None
If an asteroid annihilates the Earth tomorrow, what purpose did we serve by living? None.
Really I guess I'm just trying to ask, Why bother living? Because living is fun, except when it isn't.
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September 5, 2013 at 10:28 pm
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(August 28, 2013 at 4:00 pm)Quicksilverpoet Wrote: Just made an account and thought it would be prudent to create my hello world post.
A little bit about me: I'm an atheist, I enjoy mixing video games and alcohol, and while cooking is an excellent hobby, there is a time and place for a large bowl of cheap ramen.
Thanks for reminding me of the fact that my X360 is broken, new guy. Thanks for that
Quicksilverpoet Wrote:I also came here to ask a question, or a set of questions along the same lines, that I've been struggling with for over a decade now:
What kind of purpose can be derived from a life without religion?
One inescapeable fact I've had trouble accepting when I was religious, is that we exist. I know that sounds elementary but to me giving up god layed a lot of anger I had about the world to rest. I asked the same question and answered it myself by looking around this world and seeing the best it has to offer. I started with people I love and decided life is worthwhile living it just to love.That of course, is just one of many reasons but it's so blatantly obvious and fulfilling. The concept of love is not copywrittejn by the theists. Its a mandatory part of our biology that propogates our survival.
Quote:What kind of meaning comes from being the current state of DNA that's simply trying to further its line?
I probably can't have my own kids so I asked myself, what good am I, then? I read an article a while back about cloned mice and how experience has been proven to alter the epigenome. So pretty much if I give someone a good experience or impact them positively then I know I'm altering their very genetics . Therefore I decided to be that pebble that creates ripples in the water that go on forever and ever and propagates the overall health of the system (that pebbles motion does far more for the environment than just cause ripples). I would imagine that if I were to have a child I would want to further evolutionary progress within that being by giving it the best chance I can for the betterment of humanity. Controlling my emotions, using my time as best I can to achieve the highest level of survival as possible (like taking care of my body and environment), and passing on what I've learned and experienced through my actions and genetics is a huge gift and makes me happy. I live my life in hopes that I will have a child one day and that the medications I've been on (chemo) did not take that ability away completely.
Quicksilverpoet Wrote:If an asteroid annihilates the Earth tomorrow, what purpose did we serve by living? is not existence enough of a purpose and reason to live it the best way possible?
:Welcome:
hope you stick around for longer than just an introductory thread.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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September 6, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Hey there!
What kind of games do you play and are you a PC gamer?
No creator in the heavens above (I am the lightning)
Rest your weary mind
No demons in the furnace below (I am the frenzy)
I have realized I AM GOD
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