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Not Hunters...Climate Change
September 11, 2013 at 11:36 am
did in the mammoth.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24034954
Quote:Researchers have found evidence to suggest that climate change, rather than humans, was the main factor that drove the woolly mammoth to extinction.
A DNA analysis shows that the number of creatures began to decrease much earlier than previously thought as the world's climate changed.
It also shows that there was a distinct population of mammoth in Europe that died out around 30,000 years ago.
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RE: Not Hunters...Climate Change
September 11, 2013 at 2:06 pm
I can't wait for the conservatives to jump on this and claim that scientists think that ancient man created global warming, or else use this to claim that global warming is normal and natural.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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RE: Not Hunters...Climate Change
September 11, 2013 at 2:17 pm
(September 11, 2013 at 2:06 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: I can't wait for the conservatives to jump on this and claim that scientists think that ancient man created global warming, or else use this to claim that global warming is normal and natural.
It is normal and natural. So is cancer. Let's take a similar approach to both, yeah?
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RE: Not Hunters...Climate Change
September 11, 2013 at 3:18 pm
(September 11, 2013 at 2:17 pm)Ryantology Wrote: (September 11, 2013 at 2:06 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: I can't wait for the conservatives to jump on this and claim that scientists think that ancient man created global warming, or else use this to claim that global warming is normal and natural.
It is normal and natural. So is cancer. Let's take a similar approach to both, yeah?
Right.
The whole debate over whether or not climate change is anthropogenic or not is a huge distraction from the real issues: climate change does and WILL happen, whether we are the cause or not. What should we, and what will we do about it?
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RE: Not Hunters...Climate Change
September 11, 2013 at 3:51 pm
I should have said, "not man-made."
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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RE: Not Hunters...Climate Change
September 11, 2013 at 3:53 pm
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(September 11, 2013 at 11:36 am)Minimalist Wrote: did in the mammoth.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24034954
Quote:Researchers have found evidence to suggest that climate change, rather than humans, was the main factor that drove the woolly mammoth to extinction.
A DNA analysis shows that the number of creatures began to decrease much earlier than previously thought as the world's climate changed.
It also shows that there was a distinct population of mammoth in Europe that died out around 30,000 years ago.
Why didn't other, more drastic climate changes that happened repeatedly in the last 3 million years do in the mammoth? The climate change from 30,000 years to 5,000 years ago, when the last known population of mammoth died out, is actually neither very extreme nor very volatile by the standards of last 3 million years. Mommoth survived each of those othe more serious climate changes.
The answer can't be so simple as "climate change did them in". Other, non-climate related factors had to have converged to help a great deal.
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RE: Not Hunters...Climate Change
September 11, 2013 at 4:09 pm
(September 11, 2013 at 3:18 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: What should we, and what will we do about it?
I really don't see the big deal.
If it gets colder, we just put on a furry jacket.
If it gets warmer, we just bring out the Pina Coladas.
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RE: Not Hunters...Climate Change
September 12, 2013 at 2:21 am
(September 11, 2013 at 4:09 pm)Napoléon Wrote: (September 11, 2013 at 3:18 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: What should we, and what will we do about it?
I really don't see the big deal.
If it gets colder, we just put on a furry jacket.
If it gets warmer, we just bring out the Pina Coladas.
I see you've thought this through thoroughly.
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RE: Not Hunters...Climate Change
September 12, 2013 at 2:23 am
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(September 11, 2013 at 2:17 pm)Ryantology Wrote: (September 11, 2013 at 2:06 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: I can't wait for the conservatives to jump on this and claim that scientists think that ancient man created global warming, or else use this to claim that global warming is normal and natural.
It is normal and natural. So is cancer. Let's take a similar approach to both, yeah?
Lasers?
(September 11, 2013 at 3:18 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Right.
The whole debate over whether or not climate change is anthropogenic or not is a huge distraction from the real issues: climate change does and WILL happen, whether we are the cause or not. What should we, and what will we do about it?
Evidently... more lasers 
(September 11, 2013 at 4:09 pm)Napoléon Wrote: I really don't see the big deal.
If it gets colder, we just put on a furry jacket.
If it gets warmer, we just bring out the Pina Coladas.
LASER THE HURRICANE!
Didn't work?
USE MORE LASER!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Io0OQ2zPS4
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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RE: Not Hunters...Climate Change
September 12, 2013 at 5:34 am
(September 11, 2013 at 3:18 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: climate change does and WILL happen, whether we are the cause or not. What should we, and what will we do about it?
I think that our most (only?) realistic option is to adapt. Otherwise we join the millions of other species that no longer exist. I'll be content to know that I live on as trace genetic material in whatever the next dominant species is. Intelligent humanoids with working gills? I MADE THAT!!!
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
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