My book report pt1

[Whateverist]

Oops.

[Drich]

I just finished the first chapter...

Keep reading...
The first chapter is just an intro!

I have been. Again this guys is either the smartest dumb guy on the planet or he is intentionally twisting the facts to make an argument. I will visit all of his major points no matter how long it takes. But as we go I would like to take the time to help you all see the argument and how it can be resolves without 'rewritting' the gospels as he claims.

[Cinjin]

meh.

All I've read so far is the same old greasy unfounded apologists rhetoric that you always offer and that a million other fellow christards would reject.

You guys should unionize just to quiet the laughter and eye-rolling from the enlightened crowd.

[Cinjin]

Again this guys is either the smartest dumb guy on the planet or he is intentionally twisting the facts to make an argument.

Don't you just hate it when people start using your own tricks. Sucks don't it?

[pocaracas]

Keep reading...
The first chapter is just an intro!

I have been. Again this guys is either the smartest dumb guy on the planet or he is intentionally twisting the facts to make an argument. I will visit all of his major points no matter how long it takes. But as we go I would like to take the time to help you all see the argument and how it can be resolves without 'rewritting' the gospels as he claims.

Oh... any inconsistency in a fictional story can be resolved... just look at Star Wars!

[Whateverist]

Again, he ascribes to an Omni-max God. Which it does not take a masters in theology to know is not how God describes Himself in the bible. It is a doctrine of man that orginates from about a dozen unconnected verses in the bible. (Basically some priest defined an all powerful God by using a dozen different unrelated passages in the bible.)

Which sets up all sorts of paradoxes (like the one Bart could not reconsile. which cost him his faith.)

In short God simply describes Himself as "I am" or the alpha and the Omega, the beginning and end of all things. Which people have a tendance to glance over, but in the description holds the key to understanding the true nature of God. for it is so easy to understand but so complex as to hide the nature of God from men like bart in plain sight.

If God is Omni-max as bart believes He is bound to the definations of what it means to be omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipresent. Other wise God defaults on His 'all powerful' nature.) Which in of itself is a paradox because if God is all powerful then how can He be bound/forced to do what these defination say He must do?

Which is where God's description comes in. If God is the Alpha and Omega, the He has the first and last word on everything. He answers to no one He is bound by nothing. Which is the true meaning of the term 'all powerful.' In short God who he wants to be and displays power and mercy when He wishes to do so and is not for nor even compelled to comply with any standards but His own.

Which again is how the term "All powerful" works, and is not tied to the definations of the Omni-aspects of God.

I can be 'smug' because I can identify that Bart has all of this great biblical knoweledge, and somehow has failed to grasp a 1st grade sunday school concept about the most very basic nature of God. Which I guess is what happens when one studies the bible under the guidance of man and not under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

First of all I completely agree with you that omni- attributes for God need not be taken literally. These were simple people easily impressed. Omni- anything is essentially a superlative and should not be understood as an exact measure of an attribute.

But naturally there are two horns for every dilemma. If you set aside all-powerful (except as you say, in the chain of command sense) then just what can this god do? What are His limits? Can he cause the nothing of space (as we now understand it) to manifest its potential state as everything? Cause time to begin? Create all the critters from a little bit of clay? All of these sorts of claim are no longer supported by an omni-powerful God. There is no inherent reason to think any of these outlandish accomplishments were actually something the Christian god was capable of contributing toward.

Do you find passages in your favorite book which enable you to accurately calibrate the actual extent and degree of your God's powers?

[Drich]

why do your god hide so much?

So the those who honestly don't want to be with God have a unobstructed opportunity to show themselves what is really in their Heart.

Think back to when you were a child. Were you the same or different around your friends, as you were around your parents?

With God out of your 'view' you can be who you truly are for a while. That way when your judgement comes you will know without doubt that your judgement is indeed just.

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Again this guys is either the smartest dumb guy on the planet or he is intentionally twisting the facts to make an argument.

Don't you just hate it when people start using your own tricks. Sucks don't it?

The thing with a 'trick' is there is always a way it is done. To show you how he did his 'trick' is no big deal to me.

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I have been. Again this guys is either the smartest dumb guy on the planet or he is intentionally twisting the facts to make an argument. I will visit all of his major points no matter how long it takes. But as we go I would like to take the time to help you all see the argument and how it can be resolves without 'rewritting' the gospels as he claims.

Oh... any inconsistency in a fictional story can be resolved... just look at Star Wars!

Did you read the book? Or are you in open disagreement with Bart on this point? He says the oppsite. In that the bible has several critical irreconsiable errors that disqualify it as the word of God.

[pocaracas]

why do your god hide so much?

So the those who honestly don't want to be with God have a unobstructed opportunity to show themselves what is really in their Heart.

Think back to when you were a child. Were you the same or different around your friends, as you were around your parents?

With God out of your 'view' you can be who you truly are for a while. That way when your judgement comes you will know without doubt that your judgement is indeed just.

Well then... why are there religions?

Oh... any inconsistency in a fictional story can be resolved... just look at Star Wars!

Did you read the book? Or are you in open disagreement with Bart on this point? He says the oppsite. In that the bible has several critical irreconsiable errors that disqualify it as the word of God.

That disqualify it as the word of an infallible perfect god, yes.
And yes, I read the book a few months ago... but, being a bit ignorant of the bible itself, I couldn't analyze as well as you may.

[Lemonvariable72]

So bluntly according to your whole argument one of the gospels is lying

[Drich]

First of all I completely agree with you that omni- attributes for God need not be taken literally. These were simple people easily impressed. Omni- anything is essentially a superlative and should not be understood as an exact measure of an attribute.

then we have an accord.

But naturally there are two horns for every dilemma. If you set aside all-powerful (except as you say, in the chain of command sense) then just what can this god do?

In order to be an "Alpha and Omega" one must have the Power to do whatever He wants.

What are His limits?

again the nature of an alpha and omega dictate that one sets His own limits.

Can he cause the nothing of space (as we now understand it) to manifest its potential state as everything? Cause time to begin? Create all the critters from a little bit of clay? All of these sorts of claim are no longer supported by an omni-powerful God.

But they are supported by an Alpha and Omega.

There is no inherent reason to think any of these outlandish accomplishments were actually something the Christian god was capable of contributing toward.

Only if you ignore the title God gives Himself.

Do you find passages in your favorite book which enable you to accurately calibrate the actual extent and degree of your God's powers?

Again Alpha and Omega means "The beginning and End of all things." Which means God creates everything and will be the destruction of all things.

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So bluntly according to your whole argument one of the gospels is lying

The only way to assert what you have said, is to believe as Bart believes. That the contents of a gospel must be in chronological order inorder to be valid. All you or Bart have to do is provide proof that the only way a story can relayed is in chronological order, and you may have a point that you can argue.. Which will be difficult because even in this culture we except and even love some accounts that have been taken out of sequence and presented in said way.