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RE: Pascal's wager redux.....
September 14, 2013 at 4:22 am
(September 14, 2013 at 1:18 am)Godschild Wrote: (September 13, 2013 at 9:18 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Pascal's Wager is not a good reason to believe anyway, because it automatically assumes that the religion the person proposing it is the one true religion, and believing "just in case" is not true devotion to a religion. I could pretend to go through all the rituals involved in the Christian religion, but my heart wouldn't be into it because in the back of my mind I'd still be believing that it's all a bunch of hocus pocus.
I agree, God in this case the God of Christianity is not selling an insurance policy, Christianity doesn't work that way. Salvation is through grace by faith, this is a gift of real belief, so banking on an insurance policy will only get you a disappointing result, in this life and the next.
 GC
Funny that - because when Christians attempt to sell their religion to me its often on the basis of an insurance policy. Actually its wording is often so similar to the Pascal Wager it is uncanny.
Believe in Jesus - go to heaven, reject Jesus and hell awaits, so believing is the sensible thing to do.
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RE: Pascal's wager redux.....
September 14, 2013 at 6:34 am
(September 13, 2013 at 5:19 am)Esquilax Wrote: Eh. This is fun and all, but given that the real odds are one in infinity- after all, once we've detached ourselves from logic by accepting that a religion might be true, then literally any form of silly practice can be attached to any made up deity
Add to this that one must be a crazed fanatic to be able to follow ALL of the commandments, rituals, and obligations in any given religion, then chances of meeting that great absentee father in heaven are ZERO.
There is an ALLLL-knowing, ALLLL-powerful, inVISible being who is everywhere, who created the WHOLE universe, who lives in another dimension called heaven, who is perfect in every way, who was never born and will never die, and who watches you every minute of every day (even when you're squeezing one out on the toilet). There are also unicorns, leprechauns, Santa Claus, an Easter Bunny, and a giant purple people eater.
JUST BELIEVE IT!
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RE: Pascal's wager redux.....
September 14, 2013 at 9:40 am
(September 13, 2013 at 3:08 am)max-greece Wrote: Pascal's wager is essentially either there is a God or there isn't a God. If there isn't and you worship you lose a bit of time from your life but overall - not much harm done.
If "time" was all that you lost, it would still seem like a pretty poor deal. But is that what a commitment to a religion and its deity entail? A bit of time? Nothing else?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Pascal's wager redux.....
September 14, 2013 at 10:14 am
That is religion for You, as seen in GodsChild's post. Throwing around "captivating" words like "salvation, grace, faith" that surely hold no depth at all. I fucking hate manipulators. I fucking love scientists.
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RE: Pascal's wager redux.....
September 14, 2013 at 10:52 am
Valhalla would be a place worth going to. Sadly, it's no more real than G-C's "heaven."
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RE: Pascal's wager redux.....
September 14, 2013 at 11:15 am
(September 14, 2013 at 10:52 am)Minimalist Wrote: Valhalla would be a place worth going to. Sadly, it's no more real than G-C's "heaven." Well if I'm not mistaken, we are to feast with odin in the halls of vahalla untill ragnarok comes, the final battle. That makes a good script for a movie.
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RE: Pascal's wager redux.....
September 14, 2013 at 11:52 am
Fill a horn with mead and bring me a serving wench!
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RE: Pascal's wager redux.....
September 14, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Still, much cooler than the godboy martyr jewish zombie. Oh well. Stupid be as stupid is.
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RE: Pascal's wager redux.....
September 15, 2013 at 11:27 pm
(September 14, 2013 at 4:22 am)max-greece Wrote: (September 14, 2013 at 1:18 am)Godschild Wrote: I agree, God in this case the God of Christianity is not selling an insurance policy, Christianity doesn't work that way. Salvation is through grace by faith, this is a gift of real belief, so banking on an insurance policy will only get you a disappointing result, in this life and the next.
GC
Funny that - because when Christians attempt to sell their religion to me its often on the basis of an insurance policy. Actually its wording is often so similar to the Pascal Wager it is uncanny.
Believe in Jesus - go to heaven, reject Jesus and hell awaits, so believing is the sensible thing to do.
Any Christian who tries to sale Christianity is selling themselves short with God, God desires those who will love Him. Most people do not love insurance salesman. Christians need to show that they are glad to be Christians and live the peace of God.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Pascal's wager redux.....
September 15, 2013 at 11:45 pm
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