Rape sentence reverberates across India

[Creed of Heresy]

Has justice been delivered?
Does India need such harsh punishment?
Will it be enough deterrent for the next guys who think of doing this?

Yes, maybe, and maybe.

I know, I know, ethical dilemmas and moral dilemmas about putting a bullet between the eyes of a murderer or rapist or whatever, but seriously, this is something where they were clearly guilty beyond doubt, DNA evidence and a bunch of other shit had these guys damned with certainty.

Kick 'em in a hole and let the family move on. These shitheads surrendered their right to live when they committed such an indescribably sadistic and disgusting and absolutely fucking inhuman crime.

[pocaracas]

Again, the question wasn't what's wrong with the death penalty - I asked what you think an appropriate sentence is? Life in prison? 20 years? 10? 5?

I don't know.
Heck, were I part of that girl's family or her boyfriend, I'd probably say something like "kill them... or better... let me kill them in the most painful and slow way imaginable! ".
Of course, we're working under the assumption that there is more than sufficient evidence that proves beyond any doubt that these people did commit that crime...

Imagine there is room for doubt... Imagine you, as a judge, sentence these people for death.... and a few days, months, or years later new evidence comes up and...ooops.... you got the wrong blokes... what then?

I prefer to err on the side of caution.

[Creed of Heresy]

Heck, were I part of that girl's family or her boyfriend, I'd probably say something like "kill them... or better... let me kill them in the most painful and slow way imaginable! ".

That's where the middle ground, to me, comes in. Give 'em a cold, quick, detached death.

I think my moral reasoning for the death penalty is to essentially remove the idea of the guilty party's existence from the victim and/or their family. Imprisonment still is something where they exist. Worse is when these kinds of guys somehow managed to get "with parole" so they can end up going free at some point, however unlikely that is.

It's a spectre that I, personally, would just want to banish from the minds of those who've been stricken with such a terrible experience.

If we would go with more morally-safe route, and go with life imprisonment, I would say life imprisonment in solitary confinement with no allowance for human contact, and no allowances for parole. Let the rest of their lives just be a bleak empty void.

Either option is fine to me.

[John V]

I don't know.

And as I said, that's acceptable.

Heck, were I part of that girl's family or her boyfriend, I'd probably say something like "kill them... or better... let me kill them in the most painful and slow way imaginable! ".
Of course, we're working under the assumption that there is more than sufficient evidence that proves beyond any doubt that these people did commit that crime...

Imagine there is room for doubt... Imagine you, as a judge, sentence these people for death.... and a few days, months, or years later new evidence comes up and...ooops.... you got the wrong blokes... what then?

I prefer to err on the side of caution.

Would you say life imprisonment then - assuming it's strong evidence?

[pocaracas]

I don't know.

And as I said, that's acceptable.

Heck, were I part of that girl's family or her boyfriend, I'd probably say something like "kill them... or better... let me kill them in the most painful and slow way imaginable! ".
Of course, we're working under the assumption that there is more than sufficient evidence that proves beyond any doubt that these people did commit that crime...

Imagine there is room for doubt... Imagine you, as a judge, sentence these people for death.... and a few days, months, or years later new evidence comes up and...ooops.... you got the wrong blokes... what then?

I prefer to err on the side of caution.

Would you say life imprisonment then - assuming it's strong evidence?

perhaps... It's a possibility, but is it punishment? is it justice?

Imagine I have a shitty life, I go out, grad some girl, fuck her brains out and kill her in the process.... go to jail... get bed&board for free in a "controlled" environment for the rest of my life.... that's an upgrade, with the plus of having boned a girl, when the most likely was to remain boneless for the rest of my life.

A punishment is supposed to have two goals:
1) provide a very negative experience which should accompany the original act, thus discouraging that person from doing it again.
2) be enough deterrent to prevent, at least, the large majority of people from ever trying it.

And then the "justice system" doesn't get that name for nothing.
If you do something wrong, you must pay for it... and paying for it means giving something back to society... what could someone capable of such an act give back to society?

[Autumnlicious]

Most people who claim prison is an upgrade because they get room and board clearly haven't been jailed for very long.

[pocaracas]

Most people who claim prison is an upgrade because they get room and board clearly haven't been jailed for very long.

To me, it would be a clear downgrade... but I can imagine that it would be an upgrade to some people.

[Violet]

[*]Recent studies show that executing a criminal costs more than life imprisonment does

Right... because shoving someone off a tall building costs a whole lot.

No: executing someone in such a way as their death is essentially guaranteed and also likely entirely painless... is expensive. Simply executing a person is practically free (the process of doing so is free, paying one guy to make him dead costs about 7 dollars).

Because life in a cage totally doesn't suck more than a somewhat painful death, right?

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Most people who claim prison is an upgrade because they get room and board clearly haven't been jailed for very long.

If the alternative involves starving and sleeping in a box...