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How can Hebrews 2:9 be true?
September 18, 2013 at 8:54 pm
(This post was last modified: September 18, 2013 at 8:55 pm by Brakeman.)
Hebrews 2:9 says:
2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
In what sense could god, in the guise of his son, be lower than his angels? What is the unit of measure?
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RE: How can Hebrews 2:9 be true?
September 18, 2013 at 8:55 pm
I think it means that he was made corporeal, of the flesh.
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RE: How can Hebrews 2:9 be true?
September 18, 2013 at 9:00 pm
(September 18, 2013 at 8:55 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: I think it means that he was made corporeal, of the flesh.
So when god wrestled with Jacob he was flesh and "below" himself?
How is it that god is less than god when he has a body? Why is a body less "something" than being a ghost?
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RE: How can Hebrews 2:9 be true?
September 18, 2013 at 10:16 pm
When you are confronted with a truck full of bullshit there is little point in trying to analyze each turd.
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RE: How can Hebrews 2:9 be true?
September 19, 2013 at 6:01 am
(September 18, 2013 at 10:17 pm)Drich Wrote: (September 18, 2013 at 9:00 pm)Brakeman Wrote: So when god wrestled with Jacob he was flesh and "below" himself?
How is it that god is less than god when he has a body? Why is a body less "something" than being a ghost?
When God the Son took on the flesh He elected to limit Himself by the limitations of the Flesh.
Who says that the flesh is more than the spirit?
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"Who says that the flesh is more than the spirit?" Nobody said that, weren't you paying attention? The bible says the opposite.
How is god "Limited" by the flesh when he can make the flesh do anything he wants? The "flesh" is not the limiting factor at all, it is god's magical whim.
Getting back on subject, what quality of the "real world" makes one a lower caste when entered? Is "heaven" still heaven if god were moved to a new location? Is it not god that makes heaven the "good" place?
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RE: How can Hebrews 2:9 be true?
September 19, 2013 at 6:14 am
It looks like one of the ways that the NT writers tried to humanize god. The OT presents a powerful and cruel entity with a very short fuse who acts on a whim and has no issues with the wholesale slaughter of people. The NT takes that god, then humbles him by putting him in a human skin and having him enduring suffering at the hands of lowly humans. The god of the OT is both literally and symbolically killed and reborn, and god 2.0 is a loving and caring god (who will nonetheless return to his wholesale slaughter of people at some future point, but that's a story for another time).
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RE: How can Hebrews 2:9 be true?
September 19, 2013 at 6:30 am
(September 18, 2013 at 10:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote: When you are confronted with a truck full of bullshit there is little point in trying to analyze each turd.
True, but I want to learn the contradictions in the apologia. The answers the apologists give to simple questions like this can then be used against them in their defense of other verses. Whereas some collect contradictions in the bible, I collect contradictions in the apologia of the bible.
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