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Omniscience Argument Against God's Existence
Vincenzo Vinny G. Offline
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RE: Omniscience Argument Against God's Existence
October 1, 2013 at 5:20 pm
That's precisely one of my criticisms against the argument. If a being is omnipotent, there is nothing to "not know".

Rather, at best the argument can claim that unknown unknowns are empirically unverifiable.
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RE: Omniscience Argument Against God's Existence
October 1, 2013 at 7:35 pm
(October 1, 2013 at 5:20 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: That's precisely one of my criticisms against the argument. If a being is omnipotent, there is nothing to "not know".

Rather, at best the argument can claim that unknown unknowns are empirically unverifiable.
Actually omnipotence has nothing to do with knowledge. That is omniscience, a trait clearly not possessed by the god of the bible, as there are many things he didn't seem to know such as the fact the flood would not eliminate sin.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Omniscience Argument Against God's Existence
October 1, 2013 at 7:52 pm
I meant omniscience, sorry!
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RE: Omniscience Argument Against God's Existence
October 1, 2013 at 11:42 pm (This post was last modified: October 1, 2013 at 11:43 pm by FallentoReason.)
VVG Wrote:That's precisely one of my criticisms against the argument. If a being is [omniscient], there is nothing to "not know".

*sigh* that's what I was trying to get across the entire time at the beginning haha... Facepalm
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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RE: Omniscience Argument Against God's Existence
October 1, 2013 at 11:59 pm
(September 20, 2013 at 4:33 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: Smile

The Argument Wrote:P1) Omniscience is the ability for a mind to possess all knowledge.

P2) You cannot be aware of that which you are [currently] unaware of, even if in principle you could one day become aware of it.

P3) If you are unaware of something, you cannot have knowledge of it so long as you remain unaware of it.

P4) Because P1-3 are true, knowledge of the status of the set referring to "everything one's mind is unaware of" is unknowable, even if the set itself has no members.

C1) Therefore omniscience is an impossible attribute to possess.

P5) God is defined as a being whom possesses the attribute of omniscience.

C2) Therefore God does not exist.


Is there anything wrong here?

The logic is sound; however, P2 is fucked on arrival by commonly held definitions of God.
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RE: Omniscience Argument Against God's Existence
October 2, 2013 at 4:16 am
(October 1, 2013 at 11:59 pm)cato123 Wrote: The logic is sound; however, P2 is fucked on arrival by commonly held definitions of God.

the logic is not sound. P1 and P2 are both false. though as far as I can tell the argument is valid, but that doesn't mean anything if its premises are false.
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RE: Omniscience Argument Against God's Existence
October 4, 2013 at 5:04 pm
MFM, in order to dismiss my rebutal you must provide an example of something God could know but does not. Otherwise you are positing the existence of something about which nothing can be known.
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