The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)

[max-greece]

In response to my comments on design flaws in living organisms
Gimme a break. You propose as a magical explanation for the wonky path of the recurrent laryngeal nerve a process for which there is absolutely no evidence: the sin of Adam and Eve messing up all the rest of the world. There isn't even a statement of this in the Bible itself, just one vague sentence in Romans 8:22 (the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together) which various theologians have riffed on. So what did the pre-Fall giraffe look like? How long was its neck?

As for DNA, if it's such great evidence for creationism, why are the vast majority of genetic scientists evolutionists? Why do they confidently use DNA to measure the degree of relationship between widely disparate species and to estimate the millions of years between various evolutionary stages?

The vast majority are deceived.

And......fail.

[Bad Writer]

The vast majority are deceived.

And......fail.

No surprise there.

[Esquilax]

The vast majority are deceived.

That just about says it all: the people who actually know what they're talking about, who have actually studied, for years, and have put their hard work in to get where they are, they're wrong, but you're right, because you believe something hard enough.

Mark of the efficacy of religious thought, right there: reality itself has to be wrong, before they'll admit their bible is wrong.

Incidentally dude, how much research into genetics, origins, abiogenesis and evolution did you do, before you decided they were wrong?

[max-greece]

There is no further point in debating with SavedByGraceThruFaith as he/she has abandoned reasoned argument altogether.

Essentially he/she has evolved into a troll.

[Brian37]

There is no further point in debating with SavedByGraceThruFaith as he/she has abandoned reasoned argument altogether.

Essentially he/she has evolved into a troll.

So? I like chewtoys.

[max-greece]

Knock yourself out.

[Crossless2.0]

That just about says it all: the people who actually know what they're talking about, who have actually studied, for years, and have put their hard work in to get where they are, they're wrong, but you're right, because you believe something hard enough.

Mark of the efficacy of religious thought, right there: reality itself has to be wrong, before they'll admit their bible is wrong.

Yet we're the irrational ones. Unbelievable.

[Bad Writer]

That just about says it all: the people who actually know what they're talking about, who have actually studied, for years, and have put their hard work in to get where they are, they're wrong, but you're right, because you believe something hard enough.

Mark of the efficacy of religious thought, right there: reality itself has to be wrong, before they'll admit their bible is wrong.

Yet we're the irrational ones. Unbelievable.

Crazy exists. Believe it.

[SavedByGraceThruFaith]

The vast majority are deceived.

You didn't answer my question about the giraffe's neck and ignored my comment that even in the bible there is no statement about this ridiculous story of a fallen creation.

"The vast majority are deceived." You must be into conspiracy theories. So you think that only a bunch of people who have no scientific education are correct when they cling to the predetermined claims of a few fellow fundamentalists with science degrees who can't get themselves published in peer-reviewed journals. If there were compelling evidence for the creation fairy tale, real scientists would acknowledge it.

Sure sounds like something happened. People now die, ground cursed, thorns now sprouting up, animals now dying.


Genesis 3:17-19
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

The giraffe's neck disproves atheistic origin science. First it does not work (the valves to regulate blood) until the long neck exists. But the long neck does not work without the valves to to regulate blood.

BTW Why did the giraffe get a long neck? The smaller animals did not die out for lack of low level food.

[Esquilax]

Sure sounds like something happened. People now die, ground cursed, thorns now sprouting up, animals now dying.

And somehow you think punishing every living organism with death was an appropriate punishment for the sins of two humans?

The giraffe's neck disproves atheistic origin science. First it does not work (the valves to regulate blood) until the long neck exists. But the long neck does not work without the valves to to regulate blood.

I know you probably won't bother reading this before you disagree with it, but if you keep getting into my wheelhouse, I'll keep responding for fun: first of all, you're assuming only one part of an organism evolves at a time, which is so stupid it doesn't even bear mentioning. In fact, multiple components can evolve at once, and so the heart valves developed along with the neck, rather than one before the other.

This claim, by the way, has been answered since the days of Darwin himself. In fact, it was answered by Darwin, so when you claim that this is a problem for evolution, all you're doing is embarrassing yourself.

Did you see if there was an answer to this question, before you decided there wasn't one?

BTW Why did the giraffe get a long neck? The smaller animals did not die out for lack of low level food.

So, let me clear this up real quick: evolution isn't a process that is even aware of the environment, nor the other animals in the same biosphere. Evolution is just mutation with variation, across successive generations. To answer your question, the giraffe's long neck conferred a survival advantage- near exclusive access to a higher up food source seems likely, on the off hand- that allowed it to survive, breed, and pass on its genes to the next generation. That is all.

So, how much study have you done on biology and evolution before you decided they were wrong? What qualifications do you have in this field?