Quran Contradiction Disproves Islam

[Rayaan]

That's what a contradiction is. If he doesn't forgive it in one sentence with no additional conditions attached but then attaches a condition in a different sentence these are two contradictory pieces of information.

The two are not contradictory pieces of information, but just that one of them gives us an additional piece of information that was not present in the other one.

Secondly, the two sentences doesn't necessarily have to be attached right next to each other because they are both still in the same book; so we have combine everything together as opposed to interpreting each and every verse all by its own. There are in fact many, many verses throughout the Quran that are known to complement certain other verses which appear in different chapters of the book. But again, what matters is that they are all in the same book and from the same source.

Thirdly (and most importantly), the two sentences/verses are essentially talking about the same subject matter - i.e. shirk - so it is perfectly reasonable to make a connection between the two even though they are mentioned in different surahs.

As I wrote earlier with regards to Surah Al-Zumar, verses 53 to 55:

Furthermore, the entire surah itself was being addressed mainly to the Quraish, who did believe in Allah but they believed in other gods as well (which is shirk), so they were not Muslims. The surah is offering a hope to those groups by telling them that your shirk will be forgiven if and only if you repent before death overtakes you, before the penalty comes to you. So there is still a chance for forgiveness.

Read my post once again.

[paulpablo]

If I write in a book

I do not go swimming on a sunday. I do go swimming on a sunday if the weather is nice.

That is two opposing pieces of info, it makes no sense.

To confirm this further I'll give another example.

Lisa and Paul have different opinions. Lisa believes thieves should never be forgiven, She even says that the only thing she can never forgive someone for is stealing. Paul believes thieves should be forgiven only if they are sincerely sorry.

Now in no circumstances would any rational person who has an understanding of English and logic would say that Lisa and Paul have the same opinion and there is no disagreement between the two opinions.

If god states in one sentence that he never forgives a certain sin it doesn't matter how many times of how emphatically he says that he does forgive all sins later, or if he adds conditions to the forgiveness it's still a contradiction.
It also makes no difference where it is placed in the book, a contradiction is a contradiction.

[Brakeman]

1. Scripture is claimed to be the message from god to mankind via god controlled & inspired writers.

2. All scripture is intended as communication.

3. The goal of communication is 100% perfect conveyance of the original message.

4. The scriptures do not convey a coherent message to everyone, therefore the communication is not perfect.

5. The imperfect communication would be the fault of an imperfect god who could not imagine a way to provide better/perfect communication.

6. God is not perfect.

7. If god is not perfect than how can he be called a god?

[Nineteen]

Quran Contradiction Disproves Islam

Sura 39:53
Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning],
do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives all sins.
Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."


So if Allah forgives all sins, why is their an Islamic Hell?

Hi ,
There is no contradiction . Allah forgives all sins does not mean Allah forgives you whatever you do . It means abandon yourselves to despair , even if you are so sinful . He can forgive everything .

I tried to explain in a more detailed way.

[paulpablo]

Quran Contradiction Disproves Islam

Sura 39:53
Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning],
do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives all sins.
Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."


So if Allah forgives all sins, why is their an Islamic Hell?

Hi ,
There is no contradiction . Allah forgives all sins does not mean Allah forgives you whatever you do . It means abandon yourselves to despair , even if you are so sinful . He can forgive everything .

I tried to explain in a more detailed way.

If allah forgives all sins but doesn't forgive everything then the things he doesn't forgive can not be sins at all, so what are these non sinful actions that god doesn't forgive?.


Also what you are saying is wrong anyway.
4.48 from the quran

Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin.

Associating others with allah is a sin that is not forgiven, yet allah forgives all sins.
That is a contradiction.
Saying

God forgives all sins

is a completely different statement to what you are saying the quran says, the quran does not say

god can forgive all sins

[WesOlsen]

That's what a contradiction is. If he doesn't forgive it in one sentence with no additional conditions attached but then attaches a condition in a different sentence these are two contradictory pieces of information.

The two are not contradictory pieces of information, but just that one of them gives us an additional piece of information that was not present in the other one.

Secondly, the two sentences doesn't necessarily have to be attached right next to each other because they are both still in the same book; so we have combine everything together as opposed to interpreting each and every verse all by its own. There are in fact many, many verses throughout the Quran that are known to complement certain other verses which appear in different chapters of the book. But again, what matters is that they are all in the same book and from the same source.

Thirdly (and most importantly), the two sentences/verses are essentially talking about the same subject matter - i.e. shirk - so it is perfectly reasonable to make a connection between the two even though they are mentioned in different surahs.

As I wrote earlier with regards to Surah Al-Zumar, verses 53 to 55:

Furthermore, the entire surah itself was being addressed mainly to the Quraish, who did believe in Allah but they believed in other gods as well (which is shirk), so they were not Muslims. The surah is offering a hope to those groups by telling them that your shirk will be forgiven if and only if you repent before death overtakes you, before the penalty comes to you. So there is still a chance for forgiveness.

Read my post once again.

Ah yes, the same book that was actually a composition of ramblings, cobbled together in a few different versions by some followers before a final penguin edition was decided upon (after the death of the apparent author). It is no surprise then that, just as with christian and jewish texts, the qu'ran is littered with contradictory nonsense as well as the usual support for sexism and slavery. As far as bed time stories go the qu'ran is pretty lame, precisely because the narrative isn't clear at all. As already noted by other members, the fact that a ruling is made once, and then appears later on but with some additions, doesn't mean that everything is ok. All it means is that;

A) The qu'ran makes little to no sense chronologically, because it was hashed together by some followers and is thus not revelation but hearsay, and
B) The fact that the author supposedly says that something is the case on one day, and then later says the same thing again but with some extra stipulations, means that either god changed his mind in a temporal context after deciding something wasn't made clear the first time round (a perfect god wouldn't do that surely?) or alternatively it means that the author was MAKING SHIT UP AS HE WENT ALONG.

You buffoons are so far gone it's painful. Why would you take these bedtime stories as direct revelation? The evidence for this being period-relative desert nonsense is the only thing that's obvious in Islam.

[Nineteen]

Hi ,
There is no contradiction . Allah forgives all sins does not mean Allah forgives you whatever you do . It means abandon yourselves to despair , even if you are so sinful . He can forgive everything .

I tried to explain in a more detailed way.

If allah forgives all sins but doesn't forgive everything then the things he doesn't forgive can not be sins at all, so what are these non sinful actions that god doesn't forgive?.


Also what you are saying is wrong anyway.
4.48 from the quran

Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin.

Associating others with allah is a sin that is not forgiven, yet allah forgives all sins.
That is a contradiction.
Saying

God forgives all sins

is a completely different statement to what you are saying the quran says, the quran does not say

god can forgive all sins

Hi ,

Verse 39:53 says Allah forgives all "mistakes" , the wording used here is "zenb" and its translated as "sin" .

Verse 4:48 says Allah does not forgive sins which is committed intentionally . The wording used here is "ism" and its translated as "sin" . This verse for mushriks . So they believe in Allah but still reject his perfection and they rebellious act against Allah .


Two different word but the same translation .


While the verse 39:53 says Allah forgives all the sins , this doesnt mean he will forgive everything unconditional , there are some conditions for this . Conditions are given in other verses .

[paulpablo]

While the verse 39:53 says Allah forgives all the sins , this doesnt mean he will forgive everything unconditional , there are some conditions for this . Conditions are given in other verses .

Sahih International
Allah forgives all sins.

Muhsin Khan
verily Allah forgives all sins.

Pickthall
Who forgiveth all sins.

Yusuf Ali
for Allah forgives all sins

Shakir
Allah forgives the faults altogether

Dr. Ghali
Surely Allah forgives guilty (deeds) all together

So you're saying you looked at this verse and concluded it means allah doesn't forgive all sins? Interesting.

[Nineteen]

I gave you the pieces of puzzle . Persistently you're trying to merge wrong . Read again and try to understand .

[paulpablo]

I gave you the pieces of puzzle . Persistently you're trying to merge wrong . Read again and try to understand .

I'm not trying anything and there's no puzzle involved I'm stating a fact.

You read the verse which says

Allah forgives all sins

And you believe that this verse means allah doesn't forgive all sins. correct me if I'm wrong.

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There have been 2 different sort of replies from 3 Muslims now on this thread.

The first one trying to bend the english language saying the verse says allah CAN forgive all sins if he wants to, but it doesn't say can it says allah forgives all sins.

The other response seems to be that it's fine to make a statement in one sentence which is

Allah forgives all sins

Then to add the conditions later, this is fine in the quran.
So in this case I challenge anyone to tell me another instance of how this would work.

God forgives all sins.

God forgives some sins.

God forgives no sins.

These are three different pieces of info which do contradict each other, you can't forgive all sins while also have a policy of forgiving most sins except shirk.

In what other situation in life would you say this type of thing wasn't a contradiction?

If you were to lend me some money and I told you

I always pay money that I borrow back

, then later I didn't give it back and you asked me why I lied and I said

I didn't lie you just haven't heard a condition I'm about to add onto that sentence I said before which is I only sometimes give money back.

Would you say this makes sense?

If not in what situation does this type of thing make sense?