Quran Contradiction Disproves Islam

[Muslim Scholar]

I gave you the pieces of puzzle . Persistently you're trying to merge wrong . Read again and try to understand .

I'm not trying anything and there's no puzzle involved I'm stating a fact.

You read the verse which says

Allah forgives all sins

And you believe that this verse means allah doesn't forgive all sins. correct me if I'm wrong.

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There have been 2 different sort of replies from 3 Muslims now on this thread.

I'll tell you the correct answer, which is very common in any language and it is used in Quran often

General rules are stated which is meant to be the default
then exceptions to these rules can be stated to handle specific example
further exceptions to the first exceptions can be stated as well (but not often) which exclude more specific cases of the exceptions.

So in this case,
1-God forgives all sins (means God can and may forgives all sins)
2- God doesn't forgive "Shirk" (having other Gods with him); which means that god (will not) forgive worshiping other gods with him
3- Exceptions to that are small Shirk, i.e. to consider others while worshiping God
another exception if your repel before dieing

[Nineteen]

I'm not trying anything and there's no puzzle involved I'm stating a fact.
There have been 2 different sort of replies from 3 Muslims now on this thread.
The first one trying to bend the english language saying the verse says allah CAN forgive all sins if he wants to, but it doesn't say can it says allah forgives all sins.The other response seems to be that it's fine to make a statement in one sentence which is Then to add the conditions later, this is fine in the quran.
So in this case I challenge anyone to tell me another instance of how this would work.
These are three different pieces of info which do contradict each other, you can't forgive all sins while also have a policy of forgiving most sins except shirk.
In what other situation in life would you say this type of thing wasn't a contradiction?
If not in what situation does this type of thing make sense?

Read again . I wont reply again the same things .

[WesOlsen]

General rules are stated which is meant to be the default
then exceptions to these rules can be stated to handle specific example
further exceptions to the first exceptions can be stated as well (but not often) which exclude more specific cases of the exceptions.

So in this case,
1-God forgives all sins (means God can and may forgives all sins)
2- God doesn't forgive "Shirk" (having other Gods with him); which means that god (will not) forgive worshiping other gods with him
3- Exceptions to that are small Shirk, i.e. to consider others while worshiping God
another exception if your repel before dieing

IE it's made up as it goes along, inconsistent, assembled not by mohammed but by some of his followers who 'remembered' what he was saying, and is not chronologically sound. These verses were cobbled together in an essentially random order.

1-God forgives all sins (means God can and may forgives all sins)

> Then it should read "God can forgive some sins but won't always forgive all sins".


2- God doesn't forgive "Shirk" (having other Gods with him); which means that god (will not) forgive worshiping other gods with him

> Again, there are some sins that not only 'might not be forgiven', but will definitely never be forgiven regardless of how he is feeling on the day

3- Exceptions to that are small Shirk, i.e. to consider others while worshiping God another exception if your repel before dieing

> So god doesn't forgive shirk but does forgive a bit of a shirk, so he CAN forgive some shirky sins after all

The problem here is that the qu'ran is clearly too muddled and chronologically confused to be a useful guide. Any deity who wanted to make the rules on sinning clear would have them appear together ina clear and concise list, so that hadiths wouldn't need to be consulted for rulings. It's because of this glaringly obvious drawback that not even muslims can agree on how to decipher god's very vague and poorly written message. How on earth are non-muslims supposed to work with this rubbish? Also as I mentioned before, a god can't be eternally just and eternally merciful, because mercy is the suspension of justice. The qu'ran is littered with contradictions and things that don't make a blind bit of sense, which is why nothing that you say makes any sense (you're still under the dellusion that you have proved god's existence somehow, because a dear diary constitutes evidence to you, with such appallingly low standards of evidence virtually anything would pass).

[paulpablo]

So in this case,
1-God forgives all sins (means God can and may forgives all sins)
2- God doesn't forgive "Shirk" (having other Gods with him); which means that god (will not) forgive worshiping other gods with him
3- Exceptions to that are small Shirk, i.e. to consider others while worshiping God
another exception if your repel before dieing

No you misunderstand the English language. So either the translation is wrong or you don't understand English.

God forgives all sins (Means god can and will forgive all sins)
God doesn't forgive "Shirk" means god will not forgive worshiping others with him.
The two things are contradictory.

I can give you examples.

If a bank manager said to you

"We give you a £400 bonus just for joining our bank and creating an account"

if you understand english you would know this doesn't just mean "

The bank is capable of giving you £400 and we might do it if you join the bank"

It means they WILL do it if you join the bank.

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Nineteen wrote.

Read again . I wont reply again the same things

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I'm not asking you to type the same thing again I'm challenging you to use your logic in the way you understand the quran and show me how it is similar to the logic you would use in any other situation.

And I've given you examples.

You say the quran is right because it says "god forgives all sins (faults)" and also says
"god doesn't forgive the sin of shirk"

I'm saying the two things are contradictory because if I said to you "I never kick cans" Then say "I kick cans on a Monday" It doesn't make sense.
Or maybe in your logic that does make sense, you tell me.
Tell me one other similar situation in which your logic works.

[Nineteen]

Please read again my posts . I wont reply no more .

[paulpablo]

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If the verse says allah forgives all mistakes, the definition of mistake (an act or judgement that is misguided or wrong.)
Assuming you believe the act of shirk is misguided or wrong then this would still make it a contradiction since god doesn't forgive shirk.
The quran translations I've read say faults or sins.

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So in this case,
1-God forgives all sins (means God can and may forgives all sins)
2- God doesn't forgive "Shirk" (having other Gods with him); which means that god (will not) forgive worshiping other gods with him
3- Exceptions to that are small Shirk, i.e. to consider others while worshiping God
another exception if your repel before dieing

Additionally nothing is mentioned about repeling before dying, but I'm assuming you mean repenting but there's no mention of that either.

Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin.

It says he does not forgive association with him

[WesOlsen]

Please read again my posts . I wont reply no more .

This is the internet way of putting your fingers in your ears and saying nah nah nah nah nah i'm not listening any more. Please see my avatar for clarification of what you actually mean.