Calling Out Demolition Deniers

[Chas]

No, it's (c.) People are mistaken and misinterpret what they see.

Okay, but regardless, I'm pretty sure that there are certain conspiracy theories that you believe in, such as conspiracies made by certain religious people, don't you?

conspiracy: "an agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act."

Nice try. Of course people conspire, but that's not what 'conspiracy theories' are about.

The conspiracy theory makes little or no sense; it is unsupportable.

But I have shown the contrary. I have supported almost everything that I said on this topic, and most of the things were not refuted by any of you.

No, you have not shown the contrary or supported everything. You have attempted to do so, but you have failed to present a convincing case.

The fact that you are a theist demonstrates that you are delusion prone.

Me being a theist doesn't have anything to do with this subject. Also, most Muslims that I've talked to do not believe that 9/11 was an inside job. How about that?

It is just learning and research that made me come to the conclusion that 9/11 was most likely an inside job. That's all.

Yes, your being a theist does - you are delusion prone.

[Aractus]

Yes, your being a theist does - you are delusion prone.

Chas, you're an idiot - and I think I've pointed this out to you before. By your logic, can you explain to me why one of the best astrophysicists in the world - and pretty much the authority on "dark matter" - is a member of my church?

I tell you what, the onus of proof is on you, Chas, since you made the statement - so it's now up to you to prove to us here that religious people are more likely to be 'truthers' or even 'conspiracy nuts in general' compared to non-religious, I await your response.

[Creed of Heresy]

[Angrboda]

But if you just did a quick search in google about 9/11 whistleblowers, then maybe you would have known this. I did that and that's why I know.

You did, and that's why you don't know. You did a "quick search in google" and immediately decided to throw up whatever shallow-surfaced tripe you read without even bothering to check the credibility of your sources? Do you seriously believe I'm going to consider that a strong point for your argument?? We're dealing with matters that, if true, are of immense importance; doing some basic fact-checking on the sources you're digging up instead of just mining for whatever it is that you think validates your belief is a necessity for such matters, especially if you want to sound credible yourself. If I was being consistently shown information that I couldn't easily tear apart by cutting a mere inch deeper into the surface than you have, I would say you're bringing up valid points.

I don't mean to cast aspersion upon an entire class of people without justification, but this appears to be a Muslim thing, that putting a few relevant words into a google search and counting any hits as confirmation is the equivalent of research and scholarship. It isn't. The last time I disputed Rayaan on a matter, his 'evidence' was the results of a google search, of which, the third hit in the search was a refutation of his claim. Yet for shitheads like Rayaan, this constitutes research and evidence. I've noted similar behavior among other Muslims I've encountered on the internet, and it's a behavior which seems foreign to other intellectual communities. And it's pathetic.

For what it's worth, sometime in the past two years, I spent several weeks doing dedicated research on the subject, reading both the claims and the rebuttals, and watching some of the videos. What I determined is that 'truthers' lie and distort things a lot. Whenever you go to research the facts on a truther claim, what you find is significantly different from what the truther led you to believe. When they aren't lying, they're misleading with illogical argument, emotional rhetoric, JAQing off (RationalWiki: JAQing off), or playing 'blame the skeptic'. Truthers are full of shit.

I have no interest in debating incompetents who are neither interested in the facts nor honesty, and like pressuppositionalists, just want to bury you in a mountain of bullshit questions and claims. Fuck that, and fuck truthers.

[Faith No More]

Clearly, Tom had at least one customer.

Epic.

[Creed of Heresy]

You did, and that's why you don't know. You did a "quick search in google" and immediately decided to throw up whatever shallow-surfaced tripe you read without even bothering to check the credibility of your sources? Do you seriously believe I'm going to consider that a strong point for your argument?? We're dealing with matters that, if true, are of immense importance; doing some basic fact-checking on the sources you're digging up instead of just mining for whatever it is that you think validates your belief is a necessity for such matters, especially if you want to sound credible yourself. If I was being consistently shown information that I couldn't easily tear apart by cutting a mere inch deeper into the surface than you have, I would say you're bringing up valid points.

I don't mean to cast aspersion upon an entire class of people without justification, but this appears to be a Muslim thing, that putting a few relevant words into a google search and counting any hits as confirmation is the equivalent of research and scholarship. It isn't. The last time I disputed Rayaan on a matter, his 'evidence' was the results of a google search, of which, the third hit in the search was a refutation of his claim. Yet for shitheads like Rayaan, this constitutes research and evidence. I've noted similar behavior among other Muslims I've encountered on the internet, and it's a behavior which seems foreign to other intellectual communities. And it's pathetic.

For what it's worth, sometime in the past two years, I spent several weeks doing dedicated research on the subject, reading both the claims and the rebuttals, and watching some of the videos. What I determined is that 'truthers' lie and distort things a lot. Whenever you go to research the facts on a truther claim, what you find is significantly different from what the truther led you to believe. When they aren't lying, they're misleading with illogical argument, emotional rhetoric, JAQing off (RationalWiki: JAQing off), or playing 'blame the skeptic'. Truthers are full of shit.

I have no interest in debating incompetents who are neither interested in the facts nor honesty, and like pressuppositionalists, just want to bury you in a mountain of bullshit questions and claims. Fuck that, and fuck truthers.

I have noticed this, too. I think it's a product of a desire of muslims who are more moderate or westernized to show that it wasn't others who share their faith that performed a terrorist attack that still hits people emotionally to at least some extent. Islam was founded on bloodshed and war, but the more modernized/westernized muslims realize that it's to no benefit of their own to incite violence; certainly, in their minds, Allah will forgive them for carefully choosing to ignore a choice few passages. They don't want to face the fact that there are others in the world who are fanatical enough to fly themselves into a building in a commercial airliner...

...And that the only theistic difference between the "moderates" and the "fundamentalists" is but maybe ten passages in the religious texts they both adhere to. They realize they are caught in the middle; between those who are "truer" to their core beliefs than they are, and between those who simply do not find their beliefs to be true at all. Both are armed, pissed, and shooting at each other. The "conspiracy" is an attempt to hold up a human meatshield, in this case the US government, for surely the corrupt western infidel leaders desire nothing but to pillage the peaceful, loving, gentle muslim world for all its "vast" resources.

Nevermind that if we REALLY wanted those resources we'd just build more offshore oil rigs to an extent that would completely sink Saudi Arabia. In fact that's the ONLY reason we don't; OPEC is the final arbiter on the oil market and they don't want the boat being rocked.

I almost pity such people...or I would, if it wasn't for the fact that they choose to adhere to a religion that makes the catholic church look like, heh, saints, rather than wondering just why it is they feel that there are certain ways they should interpret the quran...as opposed to interpreting it as the "fundamentalists" do...

[Chas]

Yes, your being a theist does - you are delusion prone.

Chas, you're an idiot - and I think I've pointed this out to you before. By your logic, can you explain to me why one of the best astrophysicists in the world - and pretty much the authority on "dark matter" - is a member of my church?

I tell you what, the onus of proof is on you, Chas, since you made the statement - so it's now up to you to prove to us here that religious people are more likely to be 'truthers' or even 'conspiracy nuts in general' compared to non-religious, I await your response.

There is no evidence for any gods, therefore you are delusional for believing in them. Given that you are delusional about that, you are prone to delusion.

How is that difficult to understand?

[Aractus]

But there is ample evidence for the life of Christ, and for the early Christian beliefs, which you're welcome to discuss here. But I see that of course, you are incapable of intelligent discussion, like so many people.

[Chas]

But there is ample evidence for the life of Christ, and for the early Christian beliefs, which you're welcome to discuss here. But I see that of course, you are incapable of intelligent discussion, like so many people.

I see that you are unable to separate fact from fantasy.

[Creed of Heresy]

But there is ample evidence for the life of Christ, and for the early Christian beliefs, which you're welcome to discuss here. But I see that of course, you are incapable of intelligent discussion, like so many people.

Please present this evidence, and cease ad homs.