All This Talk of 'Morals'

[ThomM]

Are you saying that Christians are necessarily pricks like you were, or just that you weren't successful at Christianity?

No - what he is saying is that reading the Old Testament - the claim of morality is simply not true

Morals and Ethics existed LONG before the creation of the Xtian religions. Even Before the Hebrews are known to have existed as well.

WE do not need to believe in Fairy Tales to have them - Why do xtians need to believe in fairy tales to be moral

AND being moral and ethical - is doing the right thing - SIMPLY because it is the right thing to do -

Xtians do it because of a claim of a reward - or eternal punishment if they do not - which is neither being moral or ethical.

[Esquilax]

Are you saying that Christians are necessarily pricks like you were, or just that you weren't successful at Christianity?

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[freedomfromforum]

My sincere apologies if my OP left the impression that I was implying that being a christian (made me into a jerk), it did not. What being a christian DID do, however, was to bolster jerk-like qualities I already possessed, and ever since I ditched the dogma I've found a REAL path to being (good and decent), whatever those things are. The implication is that christianity strengthens one's ability to be a jerk, and the fact of the matter is, that no one needs a 'god' to be a 'good' person, and can, in fact, be BETTER without the notion of such an entity.

[Simon Moon]

Are you saying that Christians are necessarily pricks like you were, or just that you weren't successful at Christianity?

I thought a person who is a 'successful at Christianity' is someone that adhere to Christian dogma?

You know, to accept Jesus as their lord and savior, to repent their sins, to believe that Jesus died for their sins.

Are you saying that someone can't be a dick, and yet still be a 'successful Christian'?

[Something completely different]

I have no morals.











Bite me catfish!

[Phea1Mike]

Well written, and very nice of you to share. One of the things that I've found about "joining" anything with an agenda, any cause, (religion, political party, PETA, NRA ,ACLU, etc.), is that it automatically puts you into an, "us and them", situation. This makes it very easy to legitimize, justify, and even fuels some people's need to judge and hate. It's the dirty little secret people who embrace causes witness, but rarely talk about.

When "Christians" do it, it's especially strange, since one of the basic lessons Jesus tried to teach over, and over, and over again was: "Do not judge others." I'm not going to start quoting scripture, but I can think of at least 3 times the subject was brought up... and his followers were told, in no uncertain terms, not to do it.

I believe a huge part of your relief is you're no longer being a hypocrite, which you were, if you were judging others, and claiming to be a Christian. As far as Christian hypocrisy goes, this example is just the tip of a very large iceberg, but it is something you made a point of mentioning.

Again, thanks for the post.

[Sejanus]

Are you saying that Christians are necessarily pricks like you were, or just that you weren't successful at Christianity?

I'm sick of this argument, like who the fuck defines what a successful christian is? Let me guess - it's someone who adheres to the exact same rules of your particular denomination of christianity, and all other christians aren't true christians. Why don't you pull your head out of your ass and see that this is one of the reasons atheists find all religions ridiculous; they all claim to be the truth but yet provide no evidence.



Ps. Pic related.

[Cato]

"Try not to be a cunt." - Jim Jefferies

That's all anyone really needs to know about morality. Those that offer more sophisticated views on the subject, either religious or philisophical, are simply giving excuses for being a cunt.

[Godscreated]

My sincere apologies if my OP left the impression that I was implying that being a christian (made me into a jerk), it did not. What being a christian DID do, however, was to bolster jerk-like qualities I already possessed, and ever since I ditched the dogma I've found a REAL path to being (good and decent), whatever those things are.

You're certain that's what happened, it couldn't have been that you with your jerk-like qualities used the scriptures to release the jerk. Then when you ditched the faith, you just haven't found a replacement for what will bring out the jerk again. Not trying to insult here just honest thought.

The implication is that christianity strengthens one's ability to be a jerk, and the fact of the matter is, that no one needs a 'god' to be a 'good' person, and can, in fact, be BETTER without the notion of such an entity.

You will need to bring plenty of proof for this, besides yourself, no biased allowed. I'm certain that for every Christian you bring up as being a jerk, I can introduce you to many more that are kind, caring, humble servants to others and ask for nothing in return. All these would also give any credit to their faith in Christ for who they have become.

GC

[Tonus]

I think that by and large, we "are who we are." I'm not much different from who I was when I was a believer, and most people I have known for a long time would not be able to tell the difference.

Religion can have a more subtle effect on people. For example, most of the JWs I know are smart, friendly, hospitable people. What I would refer to as "good people." Kind, caring, generous, and so on. Yet if commanded to do so, they would shun a fellow JW who had been removed from the organization. Note that being removed can be for something like joining a different Christian denomination. They would be shunned even by their closest friends and family, cut off from any communication or companionship. These would be those same smart, friendly, hospitable, kind, caring and generous people, suddenly turned very cold and distant, and in some cases very very cruel. Because they believe that they are helping a person to reconnect with god. That is, to me, the kind of damage that religion can do. Subtle yet devastating, and it turns otherwise wonderful people into very scary people.