Chairity wont allow atheist to help.

[John V]

A "lie by omission" is a misrepresentation of fact when the failure to say something or to provide complete information would lead a reasonable person to an incorrect conclusion.

As defined by Yahoo


But since most christians don't seem to be reasonable, well who knows?

Interestingly you're lying by omission by posting this definition, as it's unlikely it was the first hit on your search. My google search had it at third. The first was:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Lying_by_omission
Also known as a continuing misrepresentation, a lie by omission occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. Lying by omission includes failures to correct pre-existing misconceptions. When the seller of a car declares it has been serviced regularly but does not tell that a fault was reported at the last service, the seller lies by omission. It can be compared to dissimulation.

You probably skipped this one because, if one has no intention of proselytizing, then their beliefs are not important to volunteering at a soup kitchen.

[Mister Agenda]

You mean sneak in hoping Landrum will assume they're Christians if they don't say anything.

No, I mean just call up and volunteer.

That wouldn't be very honest, now would it?

It wouldn't be dishonest.

Is that what Jesus would do?

They have nine people signed up for one two-hour event. I'm not shaking in my boots.

Why would you be afraid? I doubt we'll be a majority in the USA in my lifetime, but should that occur I will fight very hard to make sure we treat minorities more fairly than the Christians did.

[Owlix]

Interestingly you're lying by omission by posting this definition, as it's unlikely it was the first hit on your search. My google search had it at third. The first was:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Lying_by_omission
Also known as a continuing misrepresentation, a lie by omission occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. Lying by omission includes failures to correct pre-existing misconceptions. When the seller of a car declares it has been serviced regularly but does not tell that a fault was reported at the last service, the seller lies by omission. It can be compared to dissimulation.

You probably skipped this one because, if one has no intention of proselytizing, then their beliefs are not important to volunteering at a soup kitchen.

Yahoo is my homepage. Yes, it came up first. In that case I guess I jumped the gun and should've cross checked that definition.

ASSumptions, terrible little things.

[Mister Agenda]

Maybe you should read their mission statement.

I did. Are you sure YOU read it? It says this:

We Believe That:
•Every human being should be treated with dignity and respect, therefore we treat all people that eat at the Spartanburg Soup Kitchen as our guests and everyone is welcome at our table.
•Feeding a hungry person is the first step in addressing their needs.
•People who are hungry may have broader issues and needs that should be recognized.
•Our volunteers and supporters are a valued asset and we know that they are essential to our success.•We continue to strive to ensure every volunteer and guest has a positive and safe experience with our Soup Kitchen.•Everything we do is to glorify God.

Nothing there to indicate atheists aren't welcome to volunteer, unless you assume a Christian organization is going to discriminate against nonChristians. The bolded parts might lead one to think they don't discriminate. Like I said, I think better of Christian organizations than you do, John.

[John V]

Yahoo is my homepage.

Upstate Atheists (or some of them anyway) are reminiscent of nerds crying because they can't play with the cool kids.

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Maybe you should read their mission statement.

I did. Are you sure YOU read it? It says this:

We Believe That:
•Every human being should be treated with dignity and respect, therefore we treat all people that eat at the Spartanburg Soup Kitchen as our guests and everyone is welcome at our table.
•Feeding a hungry person is the first step in addressing their needs.
•People who are hungry may have broader issues and needs that should be recognized.
•Our volunteers and supporters are a valued asset and we know that they are essential to our success.•We continue to strive to ensure every volunteer and guest has a positive and safe experience with our Soup Kitchen.•Everything we do is to glorify God.

Nothing there to indicate atheists aren't welcome to volunteer,

Bingo! The last bullet, however, does indicate that atheists aren't welcome to volunteer and proselytize (so to speak). So, atheists just needed to call up and say they had ten people who wanted to volunteer on a certain day.

[Mister Agenda]

the 'soup kitchen' was simply being their normal christian self in this case, which i would expect.

Despite the impression we may get from our vistiors, not all Christian organizations are like this.

By way of anecdote, I used to volunteer at a Methodist charity, the Bethlehem Community Center. I was one of only a couple of male volunteers. One day the director asked me if I would be a Scout Master and start a scout troop at the community center. I had to explain that I'm not allowed to be a Scout Master as the Boy Scouts don't accept Scout Masters who are atheists. She was disappointed, and they never did get their troop, but she never said boo to me about being an atheist.

It's not so much that Christians are nasty people, but being a Christian seems to be no barrier to being a nasty person, and since the nasty people of any group tend to shoot their mouths off, they create an impression that often isn't really representative of the people they claim to speak for. For every Landrum there's probably at least ten who wouldn't dream of being hostile to someone just because they're an atheist.

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As defined by Yahoo


But since most christians don't seem to be reasonable, well who knows?

Interestingly you're lying by omission by posting this definition, as it's unlikely it was the first hit on your search. My google search had it at third. The first was:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Lying_by_omission
Also known as a continuing misrepresentation, a lie by omission occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. Lying by omission includes failures to correct pre-existing misconceptions. When the seller of a car declares it has been serviced regularly but does not tell that a fault was reported at the last service, the seller lies by omission. It can be compared to dissimulation.

You probably skipped this one because, if one has no intention of proselytizing, then their beliefs are not important to volunteering at a soup kitchen.

I may have to give you back some integrity points and start going with honest impairment. The bolded part? People in the USA and especially people like Landrum assume you're a Christian unless you tell them otherwise. That's a pre-existing misconception. Failure to correct it in a situation where it's relevant is exactly a lie of omission, as your preferred definition clearly shows.

[John V]

And charities are not the same thing as churches. I really don't believe you're too stupid to get the difference.

This one was part of a church for years, but outgrew it and needed more space.

Atheist charities shouldn't exclude any theists who want to contribute to the cause...

Atheist charities should exclude theists if they want to. They should accept theists if they want to. Who are you to tell other people what they should or shouldn't do with their own organizations?

but I'm unaware of any that do, and I bet you are, too. That must gall you, because your sole motivation here is defending Team Christianity, right or wrong.

Actually I'm unaware of any atheist charities except for this one, and they manage to round up nine or ten people once a month, if that.

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I may have to give you back some integrity points and start going with honest impairment. The bolded part? People in the USA and especially people like Landrum assume you're a Christian unless you tell them otherwise. That's a pre-existing misconception. Failure to correct it in a situation where it's relevant is exactly a lie of omission, as your preferred definition clearly shows.

Except beliefs aren't relevant to cooking if you're not planning on espousing them, which is the story the atheists would have you believe.

[Mister Agenda]

Bingo!

I don't think this word means what you think it means.

The last bullet, however, does indicate that atheists aren't welcome to volunteer

No it doesn't.

and proselytize (so to speak). So, atheists just needed to call up and say they had ten people who wanted to volunteer on a certain day.

So, atheists need to assure the charity manager that they won't prosyletize and get permission before they wear their t-shirts. Which is exactly what they did. It doen't mean 'conceal your group affiliation if it's not Christian'.

[Silver]

Who are you to tell other people what they should or shouldn't do with their own organizations?

A little something called humanity and integrity.

People who exclude someone willing to help others based on the fact that the one wanting to offer assistance is not of the same belief as the organization makes those people in charge absolute idiots and unworthy of any title relating to charity.

[Esquilax]

Except beliefs aren't relevant to cooking if you're not planning on espousing them, which is the story the atheists would have you believe.

That's because, unlike team christianity, atheists don't generally feel the need to plaster their position over every last little thing they do; they're comfortable enough just doing the work without the need to proselytize. The reaction this particular group got shows that perhaps that needs to change a little; all they wanted to do was be a little visible, after all.