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Another fictional "I've been to heaven" book
#11
RE: Another fictional "I've been to heaven" book
I did better once: I became God!


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#12
RE: Another fictional "I've been to heaven" book
The thing was that she wasn't even an atheist to begin with, and hardly a religious skeptic:

Quote:'I saw a lot of things that children shouldn't see,' she told WFAA. 'I always believed that God had abandoned me, that he didn't save me, that he didn't love me and I questioned if he was real.'

Then, when she was a teenager, she had an abortion. A choice she believed cemented her position as a sinner.

'After that abortion I thought, "I've done it now - if he was real, he could never love me now,"' she told The Blaze.

So she had a medical procedure which many Christians call a grave sin and "baby murder," which made her feel guilty for having it done, so she saw herself as a sinner who would never be loved by God. So there was god belief there to begin with, and this NDE just followed her idea of heaven, namely:

Quote:McVea says she was in a more peaceful place. After closing her eyes in the hospital, the next thing she remembers is waking up in heaven.

'I was standing in the most gorgeous light and instantly I recognized where I was. I knew who I was, I knew where I was...' she recalls.

What, no sensation of floating above your body or flying down a tunnel of light? She just "woke up" in heaven? Further proof that NDE's aren't real and are all just hallucinations.
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#13
RE: Another fictional "I've been to heaven" book
(October 27, 2013 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: There is something missing from her account.

Yes, common sense.


Meanwhile, science continues to shit on their silly beliefs.

http://www.livescience.com/11010-death-e...ation.html

Quote: People who report near-death experiences have elevated levels of carbon dioxide in their blood and may be suffering oxygen deprivations, according to a new study published in the medical journal Critical Care.

The study, by Slovenian researchers, examined 52 heart attack patients in three large hospitals. Of those, 11 reported having near-death experiences (NDEs), such as movement toward a bright light, feelings of peace and joy, and profoundly spiritual moments during their heart attacks. Studies suggest that between 10 percent and 25 percent of heart attack survivors report NDEs.

Exactly why has remained a mystery, but the new study provides a clue. The link between oxygen deprivation in the brain and near-death experience has been suggested for many years. British researcher Dr. Susan Blackmore, author of "Dying to Live: Near-Death Experiences" (Prometheus Books, 1993), notes that many NDEs (such as euphoria and the feeling of moving toward a white light) are in fact typical symptoms of oxygen deprivation.
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#14
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Oops, science once again pushes God further away.

Not that I look forward to death, but it gives me hope that our last moments in most cases are filled with a feeling of euphoria.
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#15
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You mean science has been debunking wild claims of seeing another realm?

Confusedhock:
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#16
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Hard to believe, eh?

Big Grin
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#17
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Daily mail.

The story can be dismissed safely as nonsense.
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(October 28, 2013 at 10:53 am)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: I'll make three points...

1) She's a teacher? I say take the nutjob's credentials away. (unlessun yous dunt need um n Oaktreehomer)

2) I'm guessing she never passes a fast food restaurant without stopping. (can't Jesus heal obesity?)

3) I think Drich may be referring to the judgment.

Not just judgement. Not all who stand before God are 'judged' in their meeting. all who stand before God know of or felt the completeness of the Love God offers. This love, or the want to return to it is everything. It will consume you. the only reason one would choose to return here (to this life) as apposed to staying there, is because as an expression of your love to God, you would go because you were asked to complete a given task. Nothing this world offers trumps the Love/Agape of God.

The paradox here is that if she were not asked to return, because she loved something here more (kid, husband etc..) She would not be worthy of God's Love there. So to return for any other reason than full filling a given task puts her in violation of the primary Command we have been given.

Not to say she did not see or experience something, it's just what she saw/experienced does not completely jive with what the bible says. in adittion we have been warned to be wary of messages (and or visions) that contradict with scripture.
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#19
RE: Another fictional "I've been to heaven" book
9 minutes in heaven for fifteen minutes of fame.

Not bad.
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#20
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After the "oops" of Eben Alexander's BS, we'll see what journalist takes this on.

For those unfamiliar, Eben Alexander wrote the best-selling Proof of Heaven. Luke Dittrich wrote a scathing article in Esquire on Alexander that exposed most of his NDE story as outright lies. You have to pay like $2 to read it online, but it's worth it.
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