Christians forgive themselves

[Brakeman]

Are you going to tell me what I got wrong? Or just continue with your assertions that I misunderstand Christianity without explaining my misunderstanding?

Please correct me.

Actually I do not have to point out your mistakes, every Christian here sees them plainly, and the non believers do not care how many mistakes you make, they'll give you kudos for all sorts of stupid stuff.

GC

1 Peter 3:15

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15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

2 Corinthians 10:5

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5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

{que GC's snarky excuse machine:}

[Mystical]

totally using that in my Catholic forums thread oh yes

[Drich]

Substitutionary atonement is a ridiculous and immoral doctrine.

You said 'morality.' In Hitler's germany it was considered 'immoral' to allow a jew to escape the 'final solution.' In Osama's community it was a 'moral' obligation to fly planes into buildings. When 'morality' is tied to pop culture, 'morality' is anything but righteous, and the kicker? The people who are tied to this brand of 'morality' are too close to it to ever see the evil in their own hearts.

There only real atonement is between the person that has been wronged and person that wronged them.

Indeed. When one sins God is the one being 'wronged.' Therefore you owe a debt to God.

Just like if I invited you over to my house and you poop on the nice new carpet in my living room floor, you owe me a debt. This world, this life, belongs to God in the same way. Therefore the debt you owe belongs to God and as such He can determine how to collect.

As it is He has decided to get His son to pay for the damage you have done, and all anyone has to do is simply acknoweledge that the Son has paid the debt owed, and all is forgiven. For those who do not want to have the son pay their debt? They still owe it themselves and as you said:
"There only real atonement is between the person that has been wronged and person that wronged them"

Just another in the long line of examples of how Christianity forces people to surrender their morality.

Which is a bad thing? how so? if your 'morality' is based on popular belief, and no real standards of any kind then how can you possiable know if what you are doing is truly 'moral'/Righteous?

[ronedee]

1 Peter 3:15

New International Version (NIV)

15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

2 Corinthians 10:5

New International Version (NIV)

5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

{que GC's snarky excuse machine:}

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Matt 7:6

"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

[Tonus]

Don't get me started.

I'm undeafed at the True Christian™ game.

So that's the only time that you remove the fingers from your ears?

[Esquilax]

You said 'morality.' In Hitler's germany it was considered 'immoral' to allow a jew to escape the 'final solution.' In Osama's community it was a 'moral' obligation to fly planes into buildings. When 'morality' is tied to pop culture, 'morality' is anything but righteous, and the kicker? The people who are tied to this brand of 'morality' are too close to it to ever see the evil in their own hearts.

I see. And the fact that others might not agree with this moral relativist idea, and aren't obligated to accept your- diversionary tactic- vision here, never crossed your mind, did it?

Indeed. When one sins God is the one being 'wronged.' Therefore you owe a debt to God.

Except that, by definition, to be wronged requires actual, demonstrable harm. Other than being a prissy bitch with his nose in other people's business, how is god actually wronged by sin?

Just like if I invited you over to my house and you poop on the nice new carpet in my living room floor, you owe me a debt. This world, this life, belongs to God in the same way. Therefore the debt you owe belongs to God and as such He can determine how to collect.

And how can you reconcile "god owns life and everyone in it," with "we have free will, which is why god doesn't intervene?" If he owns this shit then he's also got a responsibility to ensure the safety of the people in his care, you can't have it both ways.

Which is a bad thing? how so? if your 'morality' is based on popular belief, and no real standards of any kind then how can you possiable know if what you are doing is truly 'moral'/Righteous?

You know, no matter how many times you say it, you're not actually empowered to magically change our beliefs on morality to "whatever society says," through sheer repetition. Saying the same wrong thing over and over doesn't make us wrong too; it just makes you wrong repeatedly.

[Godscreated]

Actually I do not have to point out your mistakes, every Christian here sees them plainly, and the non believers do not care how many mistakes you make, they'll give you kudos for all sorts of stupid stuff.

GC

1 Peter 3:15

New International Version (NIV)

15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

2 Corinthians 10:5

New International Version (NIV)

5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

{que GC's snarky excuse machine:}

I do the first one here all the time and you have no idea what the second one is saying, you should learn before quoting scripture. I did not come here to be a teacher to the unteachable.

GC

[freedomfromforum]

At least there is a standard for Chrisitans.

Yep, and that 'standard' varies depending upon who you ask.

For example; when I was a Christian, the 'standard' was Catholics are wacky. Now, all Christians, Catholics, Religions in general, are wacky. I have a 'standard' too, and now it's broader.

[ronedee]

At least there is a standard for Chrisitans.

Yep, and that 'standard' varies depending upon who you ask.

For example; when I was a Christian, the 'standard' was Catholics are wacky. Now, all Christians, Catholics, Religions in general, are wacky. I have a 'standard' too, and now it's broader.

And what is YOUR standard?

[freedomfromforum]

Yep, and that 'standard' varies depending upon who you ask.

For example; when I was a Christian, the 'standard' was Catholics are wacky. Now, all Christians, Catholics, Religions in general, are wacky. I have a 'standard' too, and now it's broader.

And what is YOUR standard?

Can you read?

Now, all Christians, Catholics, Religions in general, are wacky. I have a 'standard' too, and now it's broader.

That is my standard.