Christians forgive themselves

[freedomfromforum]

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And yet you insist on swimming in said cesspool. You don't like it? Get the fuck out, I don't see anyone begging you to stay.

No. You get the fuck out! Its says Christian Forum at last look!

Aww look, not even a few hours after saying you don't have a persecution complex and yet here we are.

I could care what you do to me shorty!

Oh look at that, another Christian asserting "facts" about others. Aww you and GC should have a play date. Troglodyte.

You keep reading! Enjoy!

You're acting like a typical hypocritical tool... But you knew that, right?

And the pot calling itself black.....AGAIN!

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[Bob Kelso]

And yet you insist on swimming in said cesspool. You don't like it? Get the fuck out, I don't see anyone begging you to stay.

No. You get the fuck out! Its says Christian Forum at last look!

Aww look, not even a few hours after saying you don't have a persecution complex and yet here we are.

I could care what you do to me shorty!

Oh look at that, another Christian asserting "facts" about others. Aww you and GC should have a play date. Troglodyte.

You keep reading! Enjoy!

You're acting like a typical hypocritical tool... But you knew that, right?

And the pot calling itself black.....AGAIN!

Oh dear, he seems to be broken. Someone call IT!

[ronedee]

You may not care at all what I think, but I have to say that you are sounding like you need a break. You seem really stressed out! Your responses make as much sense as that of a person who hasn't had any sleep in days. I'm not intending any disrespect, it's just that your 'witness' is starting (long ago) to be nothing more than a salt-less, light-less mess.

LOL! Now here's a different approach!

There is always "ignore" if I'm that incoherent? But, I seem to be like magnet, or a good book that no one can put down!

Thanks FFF! I'll try to sleep...but the nightmares and sweats are brutal!

[freedomfromforum]

You may not care at all what I think, but I have to say that you are sounding like you need a break. You seem really stressed out! Your responses make as much sense as that of a person who hasn't had any sleep in days. I'm not intending any disrespect, it's just that your 'witness' is starting (long ago) to be nothing more than a salt-less, light-less mess.

LOL! Now here's a different approach!

There is always "ignore" if I'm that incoherent? But, I seem to be like magnet, or a good book that no one can put down!

Thanks FFF! I'll try to sleep...but the nightmares and sweats are brutal!

I'm not saying anything negative about your beliefs and opinions, I'm just offering you another perspective. Take it or leave it ronedee, I was offering compassion. When I was a Christian, if I'd seen one of my brothers react like you have been recently, I'd give him the same advice. I did not insult you. I expressed concern. As a Christian you should be less defensive and be able to discern right motives from wrong. Your response (suggesting I ignore you) is the clearest example of what I expressed. Are you so used to ridicule and abuse that you see persecution in aid? Lighten up Christian soldier. Where's your joy brother?

[ronedee]

I'm not saying anything negative about your beliefs and opinions, I'm just offering you another perspective. Take it or leave it ronedee, I was offering compassion. When I was a Christian, if I'd seen one of my brothers react like you have been recently, I'd give him the same advice. I did not insult you. I expressed concern. As a Christian you should be less defensive and be able to discern right motives from wrong. Your response (suggesting I ignore you) is the clearest example of what I expressed. Are you so used to ridicule and abuse that you see persecution in aid? Lighten up Christian soldier. Where's your joy brother?

Sincerity around here is a rare occurrence. But, I'll accepted it graciously! Your points are valid, and duly noted.

Some take my aggressiveness as hostility. Its not. Feel confident that my own family has pointed this out to me repeatedly over the years.

I'm an intimidating personality. Mostly because of where I've worked for 24 years. I have a temper but it vents easily, and quickly.

Thanks for your concern and honesty... I'm a work in progress sensitivity-wise.

I mean no harm. And I truly mean that!

[freedomfromforum]

Sincerity around here is a rare occurrence.

Yes, I have noticed. I went to a bible study with my wife last night for the first time in months, and all I felt for the Christians there was compassion. I stepped away from the forum fodder and found humanity there. These are people facing the same day-to-day struggles and challenges as myself. They are looking for meaning and purpose in life, and they are worth my time to hear them out. I will not attempt to persuade any human, Christian or otherwise, one way or another in matters of belief, nor would I appreciate any human attempting to lead me to their belief if I did not agree with it. I see a lot of atheists on this site (theists too) being very provocative and mean spirited (I have been so myself). I think we could all learn a lot from each other if we were more willing to give consideration. I too am a work in progress, and I am working diligently on improving my interactions here on this forum. I am guilty of saying some truly shameful things for the sake of nothing more than ridiculing people I hardly know. I have allowed my temperament to persuade me to become nasty and mean, and I cannot escape my own imperfect humanity. I am thankful that my time on this forum has inspired me to become introspective toward some very neglected aspects of my good character. Thank you for hearing where I was coming from, and thank you for giving me the grace to be human.

[ronedee]

Sincerity around here is a rare occurrence.

Yes, I have noticed. I went to a bible study with my wife last night for the first time in months, and all I felt for the Christians there was compassion. I stepped away from the forum fodder and found humanity there. These are people facing the same day-to-day struggles and challenges as myself. They are looking for meaning and purpose in life, and they are worth my time to hear them out. I will not attempt to persuade any human, Christian or otherwise, one way or another in matters of belief, nor would I appreciate any human attempting to lead me to their belief if I did not agree with it. I see a lot of atheists on this site (theists too) being very provocative and mean spirited (I have been so myself). I think we could all learn a lot from each other if we were more willing to give consideration. I too am a work in progress, and I am working diligently on improving my interactions here on this forum. I am guilty of saying some truly shameful things for the sake of nothing more than ridiculing people I hardly know. I have allowed my temperament to persuade me to become nasty and mean, and I cannot escape my own imperfect humanity. I am thankful that my time on this forum has inspired me to become introspective toward some very neglected aspects of my good character. Thank you for hearing where I was coming from, and thank you for giving me the grace to be human.

WoW! Thanks for sharing!

I know we can be on different planets sometimes...but you are right! There is more we have in common than not.

Maybe if we actually tried to understand each others views we would get somewhere. But, the internet is cold and impersonal. And that is a cruel combo in the issues at hand.

There are a few atheists/agnostics here I would call friends. I would count you among them...whether YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!!!

But seriously, I always have an open mind and look forward to answering, listening and debating with you.

You've given me a "good", new reason to watch my manners! I'll try not to disappoint! Thanks! Ron

[freedomfromforum]

WoW! Thanks for sharing!

You're welcome.

I know we can be on different planets sometimes...but you are right! There is more we have in common than not.

Yes, this hit me hard last night.

Maybe if we actually tried to understand each others views we would get somewhere. But, the internet is cold and impersonal. And that is a cruel combo in the issues at hand.

If I am unable to find a way to allow my true expressions to come across online, then I may limit my input until my skills improve.

There are a few atheists/agnostics here I would call friends. I would count you among them...whether YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!!!

I can use all the friends I can get. Thank you

But seriously, I always have an open mind and look forward to answering, listening and debating with you.

I am looking forward to a redirect in discourse.

You've given me a "good", new reason to watch my manners! I'll try not to disappoint! Thanks! Ron

You're doing great!

[Faith No More]

"Behavior"? In this cesspool?

As I've stated previously, you get back what you pump out. Sorry that I don't fit into your little religious mold, and I tear your world apart.

Stop persecuting the people of God. It's unfair, and not true.

You say "you know God". You don't. Neither do the "bad" people you talk about.... on either side of religion.

Anyone can "say" they are anything! "Let those with understanding receive guidance.."

"True" people of God don't fit into any catagory... But you knew that, right?

It's like talking to a two year-old with its mouth full.

The only thing being persecuted here is reality, and that is by your interpretation of it. I wish for once you could step outside your little bubble and attempt to see things from an objective perspective. No one is persecuting the people of god, and frankly, it's extremely tiresome to hear you whine about it repeatedly.

But if there's one thing I've come to expect from you and the other Christians here, it is blaming everything on your religion and refusing to take one shred of personal responsibility for your actions. Instead, we get incessant whining about how mean everyone is to the "people of god" without one smidgen of self-reflection.

It seems you're willing to have a "you get what you pump out" philosophy with everyone but yourself.

[Esquilax]

Stop persecuting the people of God. It's unfair, and not true.

I'm just going to say this, and step away: if the level of persecution you're used to is mean comments on an internet forum, not only are you extremely lucky, but also insanely insulting to those humans who face real life persecution. You should be happy that nobody is indulging in the level of persecution your own church has, historically.

Bam.