Jacob Wrestles With God

[downbeatplumb]

That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”

But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”

There is no reason given for this, he drops off his wives off then straight into the strange man wrestle without any form of explanation.
What a poorly constructed story.

[T.J.]

The God/Jacob match is in desperate need of some Jim Ross commentary.

[themonkeyman]

Actually it sounds quite funny - A strange random fight with a stranger.

But do you not notice every encounter with God is on a very Local Scale e.g. One person and when multiple people are involved suddenly its those close to the person making the story up.

Take Abraham as an example God was 'With' him and yet when people were in Abrahams presence God was never there.

Seams like a Mesmoptamia Pagan Demi God

[max-greece]

Actually it sounds quite funny - A strange random fight with a stranger.

But do you not notice every encounter with God is on a very Local Scale e.g. One person and when multiple people are involved suddenly its those close to the person making the story up.

Take Abraham as an example God was 'With' him and yet when people were in Abrahams presence God was never there.

Seams like a Mesmoptamia Pagan Demi God

Or a delusional schizophrenic.

[Tonus]

5 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man.

So basically God went oh fuck Jacob will beat me i'll just break his hip!

The funny part about that verse it that it seems to be saying "when the man saw he could not overpower Jacob, he decided to... overpower Jacob." If it sounds nonsensical, that's because it is.

[Minimalist]

Drippy seems obsessed by sin. What have you been doing you naughty boy?

[themonkeyman]

Drippy seems obsessed by sin. What have you been doing you naughty boy?

HE HAS BEEN

doing, young naughty boy(s)

[Godscreated]

Who created 'Sin' God
Who created 'Satan' God
Who created 'Evil' God

You have things in the wrong order.
Evil is the opposite of God, it wasn't created, it had always been, it just wasn't active.
When Lucifer allowed evil to become active sin was born.
Sin made Satan, he was not created.

GC

[Minimalist]

it just wasn't active.

Kind of like an electroencephalogram of your brain, huh?

[themonkeyman]

Who created 'Sin' God
Who created 'Satan' God
Who created 'Evil' God

You have things in the wrong order.
Evil is the opposite of God, it wasn't created, it had always been, it just wasn't active.
When Lucifer allowed evil to become active sin was born.
Sin made Satan, he was not created.

GC

GC For fuck sake do you really believe that evil wasent created. So what you are actually saying is that God and Evil Co-Exist so therefore God has no control over evil as they cannot be destroyed.

Lucifer was not evil God allowed evil to occur when Adam and Evil ate the apple he could have said - Awwh well. Many people have went against God worse than eating a damned apple - Have you seen the 10 Commandments?

God does not inflict as harsh a punishment on us who ignore the 10 commandments.



GOD IS THE ALPHA AND OMEGA (According to you) BEGINNING AND END.
and
EVIL IS BEFORE ALPHA AND AFTER OMEGA ETERNAL - NOT CREATED NEVER MADE - GOD HAS NO CONTROL AS IT PREDATES HIS ENERGY.