Fuck Katt Williams

[downbeatplumb]

This is the first time I have heard of this Kat Williams is he famous over there?

[Mystical]

Eh he's plastered all over Comedy Central here. He's offensive to say the least.

[CleanShavenJesus]

Any successful comedian has above-average intelligence. It's not an easy thing to do, and certainly not for the stupid.

I wouldn't quite go that far. There's plenty of stupid fucking celebrities. I mean really successful and REALLY stupid.

I said comedians, not celebrities.

[Yahweh]

He's on of those black people who get mad if you say something bad about blacks, but it's perfectly fine for him to degrade any other race.

[Cinjin]

This is the first time I have heard of this Kat Williams is he famous over there?

Famous? No, have people heard of him? Yeah I spose, but he's definitely no A-lister.

No one I know has ever seen his show.

[Rev. Rye]

This is the first time I have heard of this Kat Williams is he famous over there?

He's been in a few things I've seen:

• A Pimp Named Slickback in The Boondocks.
  
• Money Mike in Friday After Next
  
• Harry Beaver in Epic Movie
  

[Manowar]

One of the reasons why I hold a personal grudge towards all christiansRefer to 2:40 in the video) Also, who the fuck does this guy think he is to openly insult ALL atheists? I wish there was a realm similar to hell where everyone foolish enough to believe in this type of shit and openly mock atheists could go. Like I said before, I hate I won't get to see the day where religion is obsolete and 95%+ of the population is atheist. I could rant for DAYS, but fuck it.



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Don't know how old you are but I think that 95%+ will happen a lot sooner than you think

manowar

[freedomfromforum]

He's not even worth the cyber ink I'm using to respond. No comment.

[Vincenzo Vinny G.]

This is the kind of ignorance we need less of. Given certain variants of historical and cultural slavery, insurance agents and accountants qualify as "slaves". You're fine with slavery, idiots.

Not even a good analogy. Insurance agents and accountants aren't owned by other people who can then sell them for cash.

I do think it's amusing that Christians who claim the bible is 100% the word of God find themselves in the embarrassing predicament of being slavery apologists.

This is what someone would say whose understanding of historical slavery does not go beyond high school. Never heard of Marcus Tullio Tiro?

I wish I could stipulate that people who respond to me are actually willing to critique their own views and reason properly.

Cinjin, if the argument is "Why would blacks be Christians because the Bible was used to justify slavery," this argument is akin to "Why would blacks be police officers when police officers harassed blacks during segregation."

It's not "akin" at all. Show me historical evidence where police officers used the bible to harass young blacks.

They could say that the Bible was misused to justify slavery. Or perhaps the benefits of the Bible (purported salvation, eternal life in heaven, etc) outweighed the drawbacks of slavery. The Bible was, after all, also used to justify abolition. (Ask Dusty why he didn't mention that in the video)

The bible has been used to justify a lot of things, and this only serves to bolster my point. Dusty made a video mocking an idiotic comedian spewing out absurdities. He is not required to address all the wrongs done in the name of god. This just happens to be the one he is addressing currently.

There's no way Dusty's argument can be sound given the premise of "holy book use/misuse" and the conclusion that "one must not be an adherent of the holy book". Logic doesn't allow it.
All that Dusty can possibly say is "Da Bibul bad! Not be Krischun!" and that's what I think his argument actually is. But that's like saying "Guns are bad, don't be a police officer."

That analogy doesn't work. "Guns are bad" is extremely subjective, whereas the great majority of the world would agree that slavery is universally immoral. Also, you need to explain why Dusty's argument is illogical. His A+B does equal C. The video is not a debate, it's informative. He's simply showing a naive black man what the Bible says. Technically, he does not need to even draw a conclusion.

Just stupid reasoning, no matter how much you try to interpret the guy charitably. This is why Dusty is an idiot.

How?

Because he uses bad reasoning,

How? Give specific examples.

and he gives atheists a bad name.

This is not even possible. He's merely reading directly from the Bible. Do explain how he gives atheists a bad name? Specifically.

Not to mention he misrepresents history to make an ideological point.

Where? How? Give me the time stamp of where he misrepresented American history?

He's basically lying to his audience by concealing from them details of Christian abolitionism.

Give me specifics. Also, How is he basically lying and why is that different from just plain lying?

Also, because he implies that American slavery was the only kind of slavery in existence (which he needs to do, in turn, to compare slavery in the Bible to the experience of blacks, as opposed to, say, Grecian slaves, or ancient Roman slaves or Hittite slaves). Otherwise why would he question black Christianity specifically?

He implies no such thing. Give me a time stamp that I can refer to where he makes this grand implication. As for questioning black christianity, that's obvious. His whole point is that there's a black comedian mocking atheists with an absolutely retarded argument. He therefore points out the absurdity of a black man supporting christianity in the first place. AND Rusty's point is valid if you spend the time studying slavery in America.

And that brings me to the third problem: Dusty's hidden racism. For a white man to call a black person an Uncle Tom just blows my mind in terms of how much lack of self-awareness you need to have.

Racist or not, that was not your assertion and therefore completely inconsequential to this argument.

But on top of that he suggests suggesting that especially black people should reject Christianity because of slavery.

Of course he does, for the reason immediately above which I already addressed.

If the slavery described in the Bible really is that repulsive, shouldn't ALL people reject Christianity?

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Why just blacks? This Dusty character, as a white man doesn't find slavery troublesome for white people too? Are white people cool with slavery or something?

Strawman much.

What a total numpty. It boggles the mind the kind of idiocy that gets a soapbox on the internet.

Yeah, you're showing me that right now.

If you think you can rescue his argument, I seriously doubt it. But if you sincerely, seriously think so, give it a shot, I'll hear you out.

I'm not defending Rusty because he's an atheist (as I'm not one anyway). I'm defending his video because all the man did was quote from the Bible to show a buffoon how absurd he is. I found nothing in his remarks worthy of him being called an idiot.

You're not engaging me here Cinjin. Are you friends with Dusty or something? Are you Dusty? Your accent isn't coming through, I can't tell.

The point is simply that if blacks can become police officers despite police officers harassing blacks, or if someone can own a gun despite getting shot by a gun, then one can (in theory) be a religious adherent despite the religious belief being used or misused to harm them.

If that's wrong, show me where.

If you can't, then Katt (who is hilarious, by the way) is right.

[Yahweh]

Not even a good analogy. Insurance agents and accountants aren't owned by other people who can then sell them for cash.

I do think it's amusing that Christians who claim the bible is 100% the word of God find themselves in the embarrassing predicament of being slavery apologists.

This is what someone would say whose understanding of historical slavery does not go beyond high school. Never heard of Marcus Tullio Tiro?

I wish I could stipulate that people who respond to me are actually willing to critique their own views and reason properly.

It's not "akin" at all. Show me historical evidence where police officers used the bible to harass young blacks.


The bible has been used to justify a lot of things, and this only serves to bolster my point. Dusty made a video mocking an idiotic comedian spewing out absurdities. He is not required to address all the wrongs done in the name of god. This just happens to be the one he is addressing currently.


That analogy doesn't work. "Guns are bad" is extremely subjective, whereas the great majority of the world would agree that slavery is universally immoral. Also, you need to explain why Dusty's argument is illogical. His A+B does equal C. The video is not a debate, it's informative. He's simply showing a naive black man what the Bible says. Technically, he does not need to even draw a conclusion.

How?

How? Give specific examples.

This is not even possible. He's merely reading directly from the Bible. Do explain how he gives atheists a bad name? Specifically.

Where? How? Give me the time stamp of where he misrepresented American history?

Give me specifics. Also, How is he basically lying and why is that different from just plain lying?


He implies no such thing. Give me a time stamp that I can refer to where he makes this grand implication. As for questioning black christianity, that's obvious. His whole point is that there's a black comedian mocking atheists with an absolutely retarded argument. He therefore points out the absurdity of a black man supporting christianity in the first place. AND Rusty's point is valid if you spend the time studying slavery in America.


Racist or not, that was not your assertion and therefore completely inconsequential to this argument.


Of course he does, for the reason immediately above which I already addressed.


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Strawman much.


Yeah, you're showing me that right now.


I'm not defending Rusty because he's an atheist (as I'm not one anyway). I'm defending his video because all the man did was quote from the Bible to show a buffoon how absurd he is. I found nothing in his remarks worthy of him being called an idiot.

You're not engaging me here Cinjin. Are you friends with Dusty or something? Are you Dusty? Your accent isn't coming through, I can't tell.

The point is simply that if blacks can become police officers despite police officers harassing blacks, or if someone can own a gun despite getting shot by a gun, then one can (in theory) be a religious adherent despite the religious belief being used or misused to harm them.

If that's wrong, show me where.

If you can't, then Katt (who is hilarious, by the way) is right.

I think the reason you're so stubborn about the whole situation is to protect your beliefs, and the fact that said beliefs were used to justify the enslavement of thousands of innocent people strictly because of the color of their skin. Denying to support such beliefs means you don't agree with the word of our lord n saviur jezus. Agreeing with what's in the bible, in this case, slavery, reveals your character. You can proceed and explain how there were white slaves and such, but quite frankly, I couldn't give a quarter of a fuck. Slavery, regardless of color, is 100% wrong. There are no tiers of bondage. Do me a favor and stone yourself