Vaccines are a plot by big pharma!

[Bad Writer]

Then whose "credentials are completely right"?

At this time, probably non of them, there needs to be much more research, and not focusing on the mighty dollar.

Then we should scrap all medical research and any future study, right? Let's go back to the dark ages because all these scientists are being bought out by corporations hell bent on keeping us sick.

No one is qualified? Even if that were the case (which it demonstrably is not) you are extremely under-qualified to make that kind of assertion.

[Esquilax]

Then whose "credentials are completely right"?

At this time, probably non of them, there needs to be much more research, and not focusing on the mighty dollar.

That's a very good way of keeping your incorrect views safe from interference. Not to mention it's just confirmation bias, since I guarantee you you would not be dismissing these people if their research had shown the results you want to be true.

[psychoslice]

At this time, probably non of them, there needs to be much more research, and not focusing on the mighty dollar.

Then we should scrap all medical research and any future study, right? Let's go back to the dark ages because all these scientists are being bought out by corporations hell bent on keeping us sick.

No one is qualified? Even if that were the case (which it demonstrably is not) you are extremely under-qualified to make that kind of assertion.

And you are not qualified also my friend.

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At this time, probably non of them, there needs to be much more research, and not focusing on the mighty dollar.

That's a very good way of keeping your incorrect views safe from interference. Not to mention it's just confirmation bias, since I guarantee you you would not be dismissing these people if their research had shown the results you want to be true.

Well that goes for both of us doesn't it ?.

[Esquilax]

Well that goes for both of us doesn't it ?.

Not really! You see the work of trained doctors and scientists and go "nah, they can't be right," and dismiss their work due to some mysterious bias you refuse to explain, while I accept the findings of people who are trained to know what they're talking about.

Your completely baseless, blanket generalization that every medical researcher who doesn't get results you like is biased is not only completely ungrounded- because you don't know anything about these people- it's also borderline nonsensical; do you understand the kind of trouble a company would get into for releasing a medicine or vaccine that causes harm to people? Or the kind of credibility slam that would give to the researchers involved? To be clear, what you're saying is that these people release these products regardless of their overall safety; you're claiming that these products are out there now, hurting people now, and no scientist, across the entire world, is able to come to findings that can be replicated and peer reviewed successfully by mainstream science that confirms this.

You are positing the existence of a conspiracy driven by people for whom the overall effects of said conspiracy go against their interests, across multiple companies, cultures and so on, that nobody is able to provide compelling evidence of. At all.

Meanwhile, you accuse me of confirmation bias, when my position isn't "anything outside of what I believe is biased because of money!" like yours is, but is simply awaiting the evidence, and its review by the people who actually know what they're talking about.

[Jacob(smooth)]

Question for psychoslice.

Let us assume for a second that the polio vaccine you took did indeed cause your symptoms.

For me that's not the live debate. When I asked whether you believed the polio vaccine prevented polio, you hedged a bit and opined that it may carry some benefit.

Let's say for the sake of argument that we accepted that it DID prevent polio.

Do you think the risk of the symptoms you had is greater than the risk of getting polio?

And please don't go! It's good to be able to discuss things with a vaccine skeptic because it helps me to know what arguments you find unconvincing and which you feel have some merit.

[Kayenneh]

Also regarding the "bias" of proper studies, you know Psycho, when one company comes up with a new vaccine, all the other companies, scientists, doctors, other medical staff, FDA and other similar organisations, WHO, and other intersted parties will thouroghly scrutinize the findings. If they don't add up, people will call the developers on their bullshit.

[Rahul]

Withdraw ?, what else can I do with arrogant jerks like you, who think they know everything, come on grow up for fucking Christ sake..

[Fidel_Castronaut]

[Bad Writer]

Then we should scrap all medical research and any future study, right? Let's go back to the dark ages because all these scientists are being bought out by corporations hell bent on keeping us sick.

No one is qualified? Even if that were the case (which it demonstrably is not) you are extremely under-qualified to make that kind of assertion.

And you are not qualified also my friend.

What is this, first grade playground retorts? I never said I was qualified, which is why I listen to those who are. You have decided to not to listen to them because you think they haven't done enough research. I ask you again, you fucking toddler, what gives you the wherewithall to say that they haven't done the research? How do you know that they are wrong? What credentials do you have that give you the special knowledge that vaccines might be bad?

[LastPoet]

What is this, first grade playground retorts? I never said I was qualified, which is why I listen to those who are. You have decided to not to listen to them because you think they haven't done enough research. I ask you again, you fucking toddler, what gives you the wherewithall to say that they haven't done the research? How do you know that they are wrong? What credentials do you have that give you the special knowledge that vaccines might be bad?

By the righteous might of the holy post hoc ergo propter hoc.