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God is timeless
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(December 5, 2013 at 11:50 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: I 100% agree with you. So long as whatever a god is remains entirely in the realm of 'possibilities'. But you missed the point of my analogy. But that's ok. there's a difference between accepting God exists and presupposing God exists. the OP presupposes God exists and asks how he can exist timelessly. I came here to answer that question which means no, I will not fall for your red herrings and divert the subject.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
One thing is for sure. None of this external to space time advanced theoretical physics stuff is mentioned in the bible.
Meaning this is all strictly contextual to our time and, even more specifically, the believers of this time. It's all made up based on the current advancements of physics and science per se. Moreover, it's a god of the gaps argument at it's very heart, IMHO. (December 5, 2013 at 11:59 am)LastPoet Wrote: Everything is possible, in the realm of fantasy... except you know, a square circle... or a married bachelor. wait... that means not everything correct?
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
I created space-time, disprove that, you idiot!
Rational AKD: If you're going to berate Last Poet for the fact that you can't present a more succinct and compelling case, you need to keep pushing so your head is all the way up your ass. This half measure ain't doing anyone any favors. ![]() (December 5, 2013 at 11:53 am)Rational AKD Wrote:(December 5, 2013 at 11:44 am)pocaracas Wrote: Oh I did grasp it, alright... ![]() If we're making up a mega being, might as well be one that can do anything it wants, at least in what concerns creating and destroying stuff... (December 5, 2013 at 11:53 am)Rational AKD Wrote: there are a couple possibilities of how God created space-time (if subscribing to B theory of time). one is the static theory that he created it as a block that is static to him but dynamic to us. with this theory, he would not be constrained by the block.The properties of the god-universe interaction after the universe is made does not explain "how" it got made. Beware of language pitfalls when discussing these things... I mean, the very expression "god created" suggests it was done in the past... but that event should take place, out of our universe's space-time domain... (December 5, 2013 at 11:53 am)Rational AKD Wrote: but what he later explores is the possibility that he created the universe and time while simultaneously becoming dynamic in time itself. if he created time and became a part of it, then he could not become timeless again. this is what he's speaking of.Again,
(December 5, 2013 at 12:02 pm)LastPoet Wrote: I created space-time, disprove that, you idiot! if only you could respond without creating a straw man of my position. maybe i'm asking too much from you. perhaps we can start with maybe you should read what I post. can you handle that?
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo RE: God is timeless
December 5, 2013 at 12:04 pm
(This post was last modified: December 5, 2013 at 12:06 pm by Fidel_Castronaut.)
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