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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 8:52 am
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Don't take it to heart. When you've been around here as long as old lags like me, you'll develop a nose for this sort of thing. Nothing new under the sun, or if there is our - shall we say - more opiniated theist friends don't tend to share much of it.
Anyway, my track record on fulfilled prophecy is undeniable. So there. 
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 9:16 am
(December 11, 2013 at 8:40 am)DOS Wrote: Why you always justify yourself before me? Either you have control over your lives or not! The answer is yes or no. As has been pointed out many times by many people, the answer is not 'yes/no', it's far more complicated than that.
Quote: As for what reply would have been of mine I would answer easily I have control over or govern my life. I decide when I eat, sleep, work, drink, fuck, when I study, agree or disagree with someone else, easy as that.
Do you control the culture in which you live? Do you control the government which administrates your nation? Do you control the methodology of the civic water treatment system that describes the chemicals you drink? Do you control the gale-force winds that blew down your garden fence?
Quote: Why you all overcompicate things? Yo are all pussies! Dweebs!
Why do you refuse to see that reality actually is far more complicated than the model you have in your head? Is it because you fear questioning some central values? If so, that would make you the pussy.
Quote: Try it again
If there is no God, then, who governs your life and, in general, the whole order of things in your life?
You already have my answer to that question; a far fuller and more satisfying answer than your question deserves.
Sum ergo sum
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 9:28 am
(December 11, 2013 at 8:52 am)Stimbo Wrote: Don't take it to heart. When you've been around here as long as old lags like me, you'll develop a nose for this sort of thing. Nothing new under the sun, or if there is our - shall we say - more opiniated theist friends don't tend to share much of it.
Anyway, my track record on fulfilled prophecy is undeniable. So there. I knew you were going to say that.
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 9:30 am
(December 11, 2013 at 8:40 am)DOS Wrote: Why you always justify yourself before me? Either you have control over your lives or not! The answer is yes or no. But that isn't what you asked. You asked "if there is no God, then, one may ask, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth?" And you created a poll with the choice of man or god. Since your question presumes there is no god, the choices presented are strange.
In post #61, you change the question to "If there is no God, then, who governs your life and, in general, the whole order of things in your life?" This is a very different question from the original. My belief is that neither man nor god "governs the whole order of things on Earth." I do, however govern my life and the order of things in my life, though I suspect that this will degenerate into an argument over how to define "govern the order of things" before we are done.
Now I am curious of two things. One, how do you answer either of those questions? Two, what is the point of the questions you asked?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 9:33 am
The OP needs to change the poll to add a third option - my wife and daughter, who, between them, govern my life entirely.
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 9:34 am
(December 11, 2013 at 8:40 am)DOS Wrote: Why you all overcompicate things? Yo are all pussies! Dweebs! Because things are complicated.
But maybe your limited understanding can't even grasp that detail...
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 10:09 am
(December 11, 2013 at 8:40 am)DOS Wrote: Why you always justify yourself before me? Either you have control over your lives or not! The answer is yes or no.
No, it isn't 
(December 11, 2013 at 8:40 am)DOS Wrote: As for what reply would have been of mine I would answer easily I have control over or govern my life. I decide when I eat, sleep, work, drink, fuck, when I study, agree or disagree with someone else, easy as that.
Why you all overcompicate things? Yo are all pussies! Dweebs!
Dweebs. Lol.
Getting mad at all the non-committal replies to your loaded false dichotomy?
I guess you can't spell it after all  < Sad face.
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 10:51 am
(December 11, 2013 at 9:28 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: I knew you were going to say that.
That's why I said it, because I knew you were going to say that.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 11:07 am
(December 11, 2013 at 10:51 am)Stimbo Wrote: (December 11, 2013 at 9:28 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: I knew you were going to say that.
That's why I said it, because I knew you were going to say that.
DAMN YOU! Always one step ahead!
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Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 11:10 am
I always try to come first.
Oh wait a minute...
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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