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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 2:43 pm
(December 11, 2013 at 2:38 pm)DOS Wrote: (December 11, 2013 at 2:22 pm)LostLocke Wrote: That's called an accident.
Accidents happen. So what?
Berlioz listened with great attention to the unpleasant story about the cancer and the tram-car, and certain alarming thoughts began to torment him. 'He's not a foreigner... He's not a foreigner...' he thought, 'he's a most peculiar specimen ...but, excuse me, who is he then? ...'
You'd like to smoke, I see?' the stranger addressed Homeless unexpectedly. "Which kind do
you prefer?'
'What, have you got several?' the poet, who had run out of cigarettes, asked glumly.
'Which do you prefer?' the stranger repeated.
'Okay - Our Brand,' Homeless replied spitefully.
The unknown man immediately took a cigarette case from his pocket and offered it to
Homeless:
'Our Brand...'
Editor and poet were both struck, not so much by Our Brand precisely turning up in the
cigarette case, as by the cigarette case itself. It was of huge size, made of pure gold, and, as it
was opened, a diamond triangle flashed white and blue fire on its lid. Here the writers thought differently. Berlioz: 'No, a foreigner!', and Homeless: 'Well, devil take
him, eh! ...'
The poet and the owner of the cigarette case lit up, but the non-smoker Berlioz declined.
'I must counter him like this,' Berlioz decided, 'yes, man is mortal, no one disputes that. But
the thing is...'
However, before he managed to utter these words, the foreigner spoke:
'Yes, man is mortal, but that would be only half the trouble. The worst of it is that he's
sometimes unexpectedly mortal - there's the trick! And generally he's unable to say what he's
going to do this same evening.'
The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov
For fuck's sake, do you have an argument to make or do you get paid by the quote?
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 2:50 pm
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 3:08 pm
1) The Atheists have no idea of whether the God, afterlife, soul exist.
2) The Atheists have a principal or a position unless an evidence is put to their face they will not accept that the afterlife exists and it puts the atheists on the cockroach level, the cockroaches have no clue about God either...
3) The Atheists are loving to be refering to the scientific studies, kind of that white light is not white, but is made up of seven colours to prove the point and it gets them nowhere.
4) The Atheists tend to believe they can make deals, contracts, stipulations with God, i.e. they will believe asap they pull the God's beard or grab his testicle.
5) The Atheists know that the atheists descended from the Ape, the other part of the humanity puts that perspective under suspicion as it is still not proved whether the apes descended from man or otherwise. Nothing is proved, all is permitted.
6) The Atheists think they are governing something or have control over their studies, researches, truth discovering, eyes opening whilst they they are unable to say what they are going to do this same evening.' Man is mortal, but that would be only half the trouble. The worst of it is that he's sometimes unexpectedly mortal - there's the trick!
The atheists are very smart people, their arguments are strong!
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 3:23 pm
(December 11, 2013 at 3:08 pm)DOS Wrote: 1) The Atheists have no idea of whether the God, afterlife, soul exist. Nor do you, nor any theist.
You simply believe is such things as god, afterlife and soul...
But you know nothing, John Snow.
(December 11, 2013 at 3:08 pm)DOS Wrote: 2) The Atheists have a principal or a position unless an evidence is put to their face they will not accept that the afterlife exists and it puts the atheists on the cockroach level, the cockroaches have no clue about God either... Afterlife is only wishful thinking.
Show me a study of people who died and came back to tell the tale...
NDEs don't count, because N means Near...
(December 11, 2013 at 3:08 pm)DOS Wrote: 3) The Atheists are loving to be refering to the scientific studies, kind of that white light is not white, but is made up of seven colours to prove the point and it gets them nowhere. Well then... stop using that computer, because the science that made it got you nowhere.
(December 11, 2013 at 3:08 pm)DOS Wrote: 4) The Atheists tend to believe they can make deals, contracts, stipulations with God, i.e. they will believe asap they pull the God's beard or grab his testicle. No, no... atheists make deals with the devil, remember?! Silly troll... -.-'
Take some time to understand what "atheist" means and then proceed to find why it doesn't fit with "believe they can make deals, contracts, stipulations with God".
(December 11, 2013 at 3:08 pm)DOS Wrote: 5) The Atheists know that the atheists descended from the Ape, the other part of the humanity puts that perspective under suspicion as it is still not proved whether the apes descended from man or otherwise. Nothing is proved, all is permitted. It's called anthropology...learn it, and then come back and tell me why this sentence is another gross misrepresentation.
(December 11, 2013 at 3:08 pm)DOS Wrote: 6) The Atheists think they are governing something or have control over their studies, researches, truth discovering, eyes opening whilst they they are unable to say what they are going to do this same evening.' Man is mortal, but that would be only half the trouble. The worst of it is that he's sometimes unexpectedly mortal - there's the trick! How many people have expressed the caveats in that "governing own life" thing?
You must have some problem with your reading comprehension...
(December 11, 2013 at 3:08 pm)DOS Wrote: The atheists are very smart people, their arguments are strong!
Some are... some aren't... all kinds of humans fit into the classification of "atheist".
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 3:28 pm
(December 11, 2013 at 3:08 pm)DOS Wrote: The atheists are very smart people, their arguments are strong!
I think that's a fair assessment.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 3:35 pm
It's interesting that DOS keeps repeating the same statements about atheists, even after the answer to his questions have shown those statements to be false.
It's almost as if he had his mind made up before he even got here.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 3:39 pm
(December 11, 2013 at 3:35 pm)Faith No More Wrote: It's interesting that DOS keeps repeating the same statements about atheists, even after the answer to his questions have shown those statements to be false.
It's almost as if he had his mind made up before he even got here.
Say it ain't so!
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Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 4:06 pm
(This post was last modified: December 11, 2013 at 4:06 pm by The Reality Salesman01.)
(December 11, 2013 at 3:08 pm)DOS Wrote: 1) The Atheists have no idea of whether the God, afterlife, soul exist. nobody does. Atheists are just aware of it.
Quote:2) The Atheists have a principal or a position unless an evidence is put to their face they will not accept that the afterlife exists and it puts the atheists on the cockroach level, the cockroaches have no clue about God either...
With regards to knowledge of a God's existence, the comparison is accurate, but not limited to only Atheists, nobody has knowledge of Gods. But, neither cockroaches or Atheists pretend to have knowledge of that which they do not have. Being aware of our ignorance is what separates Atheists from Cockroaches. Being unaware of their ignorance is what Theists and roaches have in common.
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3) The Atheists are loving to be refering to the scientific studies, kind of that white light is not white, but is made up of seven colours to prove the point and it gets them nowhere.
no idea what this means.
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4) The Atheists tend to believe they can make deals, contracts, stipulations with God, i.e. they will believe asap they pull the God's beard or grab his testicle.
Atheists believe they can make deals with a God they don't believe in? I don't think you thought this one through very well.
Quote:5) The Atheists know that the atheists descended from the Ape, the other part of the humanity puts that perspective under suspicion as it is still not proved whether the apes descended from man or otherwise. Nothing is proved, all is permitted.
I'm noticing that you are falling victim to a common error that prevents Theists from understanding the Atheist position. The words "know" and "proved". Also, an individual can hold a view in any number of different degrees of certainty ranging from Not True, Possible, Likely, Not Likely, and Impossible. God as a hypothesis doesn't necessarily automatically get disqualified until a human starts trying to define it. A God could very well be possible, it's the human descriptions that we evaluate and dismiss on the basis of irresolvable objections and insufficient evidence. I can hold that evolution is likely in lieu of the evidence that supports it. But, I'm not married to my belief, I'm open to the idea of new evidence that could compell me to revise it. Your belief in God is not supported by evidence so there is no evidence that you would recognize as a reason to revise your belief. You are certain, with no evidence. You cannot be reasoned out of something you didn't reason yourself into, and your belief is indistinguishable from delusion.
Quote:6) The Atheists think they are governing something or have control over their studies, researches, truth discovering, eyes opening whilst they they are unable to say what they are going to do this same evening.' Man is mortal, but that would be only half the trouble. The worst of it is that he's sometimes unexpectedly mortal - there's the trick!
The atheists are very smart people, their arguments are strong!
I've addressed your question regarding "governing" the universe. You didn't respond. It's really just a straw-man and an attempt to paint Atheists into a position we do not hold. There are things that can be known, and others that may or may not be knowable. The more we know, the more potential we have to positively influence that which is in our scope of influence. Saying this acknowledges that I of course do not know for certain the outcomes of events related to my own future. But, I'm okay with not knowing. Pretending to know gets me nowhere and it makes you say things like what's written above. A dash of humility in your presupposition of other people's views could help you avoid putting your foot in your mouth. Instead of telling people what they think, consider asking them instead. Otherwise, you're just creating straw men to argue with, and none of these targets you take aim at even remotely resemble a view that I, an Atheist have ever defended. Your objections to your own straw men are clumsily structured and lacking in intellectual substance. Try addressing our ideas, and not the ones you suppose us to have.
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 5:01 pm
(December 11, 2013 at 3:08 pm)DOS Wrote: The atheists are very smart people, their arguments are strong!
You keep saying this and we keep agreeing with you.
So thanks again :-) we require your support when we go out and eat babies :-)
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RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
December 11, 2013 at 6:35 pm
(December 10, 2013 at 2:22 am)DOS Wrote: Here is a question that is troubling me: if there is no God, then, one may ask, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth?
Just because there is no god doesn't mean that man or any "who" governs the orders of things. Its a big world out there and only can only govern some factors of many, so lack of better expression the laws of science seems to be what governs.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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