The Bible is the claim, not the evidence

[Bad Writer]

Typical SW response. I'm gonna need a moment to respond to this mound of bullshit but in a manner that won't be TL;DR for the others.

All his threads are tl;dr to me.

I'm sorry, what were you saying? I fell asleep at my keyboard trying sift through all this garbage on my screen.

[ThomM]

I think the point has been lost. I am not currently proposing scientific evidence for creation I am proposing the evidence for evolution is not scientific.

And what are YOUR credentials in the science community - where did YOU study science - and in what PEER reviewed science journal did you publish your supporting work?


Sorry - but a theist is NOT a scientist - especially a deluded one.
THe problem is that it was the Catholic church that PROVED that evolution does exist.

It was a group of Catholic Monks in France - who - in order to save their grape crop - which was blighted - Crossed the root stock of disease resistant strains of grapes with the stems of the varieties of grapes they desired to produce a NEW plant - one not created by any god. And the seeds from the new plant would grow a resistant root crop of new grape plants too. This proved Natural Selection. The disease resistant strains survived and the others did not. And this was in the 1850's.

THe problem you have is that you forget what Evolution is - Darwin's book - now called the ORIGIN of the Species - had a much longer original title
"On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life."

There is NO question that Natural selection - the now called Survival of the Fittest - DOES indeed happen. In Darwins book - he proposed that there was some way that parents passed traits on to their offspring - in all life - and eventually the exitence of Dna - Rna -and genes proved he was correct in that as well. And these were discovered scientifically - without question.

You are proof it happens - you are a human - similar to - but not exactly like either of your parents - and have dominant traits of both of your parents. Dna research has gone so far as to render claims against evolution to be comical nonsense - and clearly show that animals have evolved.

Sorry - you are simply wrong.

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Man wrote the Bible, not GOD! I think god does not understand the concept of writing in English!

This book is written by god because it says in this book that it is written by god. Stop arguing and submit yourself right away.

Then god was a HUMAN - because every single word of the bible was written by Humans

THere is no alternative - no other species on earth writes in language!

So - it is YOU who have to submit!

[Bad Writer]

I think feeling was being facetious.

[Esquilax]

I think feeling was being facetious.

You had a perfect opportunity to say you had a feeling he was being facetious, and you didn't take it. Far more restraint than I have, you.

[Bad Writer]

D'oh! Missed opportunity!

[Lemonvariable72]

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notroc..._older.jpg
Thats a small theropod from the early Cretaceous called similicaudipterx, and that link will show the feather impressions beautifully in the fossil itself.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

If you would like some scientific evidence there are men far more knowledgable on the subject than I but you could look into: In Siberia Russia (in the Tundra) there have been found at least 5 million elephant remains frozen solid in mud hundreds of feet thick. Some of the elephants are carried out as the great Russian rivers the Ob and the Yenisey slash through the tundra on the way to the Arctic Ocean. It has been found they (the elephants) had no erector muscles that would have protected them from Arctic weather. Some also have perfectly preserved tropical plant material in their stomachs. They were semi-tropical animals. They were quick frozen. A wind chill factor of 190 degrees below zero would be required to quick freeze these elephants. They were frozen, then covered in mud, then covered and buried in ice. While not of creation, here is some empirical evidence for the flood.

Citation.

EDIT: I see this is a lie that has been debunked already . Your evidence is dismissed as nonsense. Thanks for playing.

[Statler Waldorf]

Typical SW response. I'm gonna need a moment to respond to this mound of bullshit but in a manner that won't be TL;DR for the others.

Take all the time in the world.

Science may make errors but at least it progresses

Progresses towards what? How do you know it is progressing and not regressing? How do you know that something ought to progress?

The real issue here is not disproving evolution, it is proving that the universe is only 6000 years old.

Why is that the real issue?

Man wrote the Bible, not GOD! I think god does not understand the concept of writing in English!

Men wrote the physical words, but what was written was inspired by God. The Bible was not written in English.

Also, The Lord of the Rings does not prove the existence of JRR Tolkien. It proves a human wrote the book!

Yes, a human named JRR Tolkien.

No, not censorship - I said it's not about the ideas but about the behavior of the poster.

I’ve never received an infraction on here or an official warning, so it must be the ideas and not the behavior.

And you won't find me whining about the made-up traits of an imagined god.

It doesn’t make a lot of sense but atheists do it all the time on here. They “know” God does not exist and they hate Him.

All his threads are tl;dr to me.

Not surprising, I use a lot of big words.

feather imprint photos

I believe the current understanding is that those are not feather imprints but imprints made by frayed structural collagen fibers per A new Chinese specimen indicates that ‘protofeathers’ in the Early Cretaceous theropod dinosaur Sinosauropteryx are degraded collagen fibres in the Proceedings of the Royal Society published May 23, 2007. There really is not much evidence supporting the notion that dinosaurs had feathers other than artistic conceptual renderings.

Citation.

EDIT: I see this is a lie that has been debunked already . Your evidence is dismissed as nonsense. Thanks for playing.

Calling this a lie is rather harsh, it’s just an older argument that creationists do not recommend using anymore (thus refuting the silly claim that creationism never progresses or changes).

http://creation.com/the-extinction-of-th...ick-freeze


"“Woolly mammoths were snap frozen during the Flood catastrophe.” This is contradicted by the geological setting in which mammoths are found. It’s most likely that they perished toward the end of the Ice Age, possibly in catastrophic dust storms. Partially digested stomach contents are not proof of a snap freeze, because the elephant’s stomach functions as a holding area—a mastodon with preserved stomach contents was found in mid-western USA, where the ground was not frozen."- Creation.com

[Minimalist]

it’s just an older argument that creationists do not recommend using anymore

Translation = "too stupid even for creatards..." which is pretty fucking stupid.

[Max_Kolbe]

I am a theist and I agree. The Bible is not proof for the existence of God.

I've lately seen a rash of theists here, old and new alike, that when confronted with the question, "Do you have evidence for the existence of your god?" that proceed to quote biblical scripture as the source of their conviction. This is not a strange thing, as these particular theists called Christians more often than not perceive this text to be full of accounts that were directly-inspired by divine means, or tell the tale of historical events relating to their particular religious history. Taking such a stance is, in actuality, a non-answer to the question posed above.

The Bible is a book of divine claims, telling of a god (or gods, in some interpretations) that has yet to be proven to exist. Since evidence must be demonstrated to be true before it can be taken as fact, the Bible falls short in satisfying any demands of proof, as it can in no way be proven that the men who wrote were actually under any divine influence.

I know my request to theists to stop appealing to the Bible as evidence of a god (or gods) will fall on many deaf ears, but I feel this phenomenon has gotten a little out of hand as of late and really needed to be addressed. Thank you for taking a moment to read this, especially if you are a Christian member of this forum.