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The Myth of the Moderate Muslim?
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RE: The Myth of the Moderate Muslim?
(December 11, 2013 at 5:33 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote:

The number of respondents is very low; given the number of muslims in Europe, this sample size can't be considered representative (I just put it through my sample-size calculator and was given a 60% confidence level). Only having Turkish & Morrocan muslims as respondents may give bias and there's no split by islamic denomination (e.g. sunni, shia, suffist etc.). Additionally, some of the countries in question have enacted legislation to control islam (e.g. France banning the niqab) which could further skew the results. The questions are very broad and don't try to identify 'flavours' of fundamentalism.

There are some good points to this survey: using countries with different % muslims amongst their populations, the definitions of fundamentalism, control groups were used, comparisons to the majority religion were made for context.

Overall, I can't say I'm satisfied with the results. If they can expand the sample population to something more representative, provide better interpretation by having better definitions of respondents and remove some of the crass generalisation by increasing the number of questions then I'd be more prepared to listen.

It's an interesting start though.
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#12
RE: The Myth of the Moderate Muslim?
(December 11, 2013 at 5:35 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:that there is only one interpretation of the Koran

Yes...the one that their sect follows and they will joyfully kill all the other heretics because fucking allah approves.

Is that really a bad thing? That is, as long as they leave non-Muslim heretics alone?
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RE: The Myth of the Moderate Muslim?
(December 12, 2013 at 11:03 am)Ben Davis Wrote:
(December 11, 2013 at 5:33 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote:

The number of respondents is very low; given the number of muslims in Europe, this sample size can't be considered representative (I just put it through my sample-size calculator and was given a 60% confidence level). Only having Turkish & Morrocan muslims as respondents may give bias and there's no split by islamic denomination (e.g. sunni, shia, suffist etc.). Additionally, some of the countries in question have enacted legislation to control islam (e.g. France banning the niqab) which could further skew the results. The questions are very broad and don't try to identify 'flavours' of fundamentalism.

There are some good points to this survey: using countries with different % muslims amongst their populations, the definitions of fundamentalism, control groups were used, comparisons to the majority religion were made for context.

Overall, I can't say I'm satisfied with the results. If they can expand the sample population to something more representative, provide better interpretation by having better definitions of respondents and remove some of the crass generalisation by increasing the number of questions then I'd be more prepared to listen.

It's an interesting start though.

I would think that there would be more moderate Moslems among Turkish and Moroccan immigrants than among Saudi or Yemeni immigrants, for instance.
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RE: The Myth of the Moderate Muslim?
(December 26, 2013 at 7:07 am)NonXNonExX Wrote:
(December 12, 2013 at 11:03 am)Ben Davis Wrote:


I would think that there would be more moderate Moslems among Turkish and Moroccan immigrants than among Saudi or Yemeni immigrants, for instance.

Indeed. I'm not denying the possibility that the results might be pertinent, just that they're unreliable given the factors that I listed. There's so much misinformation out there and this is such a sensitive subject that published studies, in my opinion, should hold themselves to the very highest standards.
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RE: The Myth of the Moderate Muslim?
I'm ok with this study.
Why I'm ok with it :

1.I live in a Muslim ghetto in France (there are between 20-40%). I can hear many conversations with an anti-Semitic tense and a homophobic tense without forget that the majority of them think that 911 is a Jewish conspiracy.

2.This article is from a magazine about sociology managed by "Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin für Sozialforschung gGmbH" also called "WZB".

3.I did saw the legal notice on the official website of WZB.

4.The register number (Registereintrag in German) is real. See here.

5.The same for Umsatzsteuer-ID (value added tax identification number in English) : go on this website sponsored by WZB.

6.In the link that I gave at the point n°5 you can find a link at "Bundesministerium für Bildung und Forschung" (Federal Ministry of Education and Research in German).

7.See this link who prove that the German government trust WZB : http://www.bmbf.de/de/21627.php?hilite=wzb

8.Who is "Prof. Dr. Ruud Koopmans" (author of the study) : http://www.wzb.eu/en/persons/ruud-koopmans
Note : Unhappily I can't find a better source that WZB.

9.If this study is wrong , why is this wrong ?

10.I would like hear opinions of those who are ok the study and those who are against.
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I have been dog piled on this forum for saying the same thing the study in the OP said.
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