Israel Never Did a Thing to the Arabs

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Why do you think you deserve anything? You have come onto an atheist site trying to appeal to us a decent person then come out with this utter nonsense about Zionists worshiping Satan. A Zionist is someone who believes that there should be a state of Israel. It does not mean anything else despite what NON jews seem to pretend.

I had hoped we would find you a reasonable person but this utter racist nonsense tells us otherwise.

[ska88]

Here is rabbi Weiss saying that jews should not create a state..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgQcZ6gj-18

Hes got a point guys.. there is something bad happening behind the scenes I think someone is digging for the jews !!

Zionist do not care about jews .. I mean there r christian muslim atheist zionist.. religion is only a cover!!

Remmember Michael Jackson's song.. all I wanna say ..they don't really care about us??

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Why do you think you deserve anything? You have come onto an atheist site trying to appeal to us a decent person then come out with this utter nonsense about Zionists worshiping Satan. A Zionist is someone who believes that there should be a state of Israel. It does not mean anything else despite what NON jews seem to pretend.

I had hoped we would find you a reasonable person but this utter racist nonsense tells us otherwise.

Ok why didn't just say that? I would explain my answer to u.

Why assuming I'm racist. . ??

I dont even hate jews!!

I didn't pretend .. its simple life.. u agree with something and u disagree with something else.

I made my researches and according to that I made my opinion.. I'm not being racist at all.. I don't agree with zionism and I think it belongs to no religion.

There r muslim zionist .. christian zionist.. they usr cabala magic.

And if you know magic!! Magic is selling ur sole to the spirit to let it help u out .. thats not in jewish belief!!

I just research it alot.. I don't think they want a state ..only.
Thats my opinion.. I'm telling "My opinion"

Its normal to have an independent opinion.. I don't have to agree with all what u say to be a good person.. we can have different opinions.

My friends ..they adore the king of ksa .. but I don't I think they r misled and we argue all the time but still we r friends and live each other.

In my country we say "having different views doesn't affect our relationship and love to each other"

If u don't like my opinion then discuss we will change information and views .. don't judge or hate me.. at the end we all want peace and good for the world.

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You don't have an independent position. You have the standard nonsense one hears from Muslims all the time. Kabbalah has nothing to do with Zionism and a great deal to do with Hasidic Judaism.

[ska88]

You don't have an independent position. You have the standard nonsense one hears from Muslims all the time. Kabbalah has nothing to do with Zionism and a great deal to do with Hasidic Judaism.

Ok tell me what u know..?

Tell me about zionisim from ur point of view and why I should think they r good people?

Plz or give me ur sources so I cab search myself

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Zionists are neither good nor bad. they are just people who believe that Israel should exist.

Zionism started as a movement with teh first Zionist conference in 1897. It states that

Zionism aims at establishing for the Jewish people a publicly and legally assured home in Palestine. For the attainment of this purpose, the Congress considers the following means serviceable:

1. The promotion of the settlement of Jewish agriculturists, artisans, and tradesmen in Palestine.

2. The federation of all Jews into local or general groups, according to the laws of the various countries.

3. The strengthening of the Jewish feeling and consciousness.

4. Preparatory steps for the attainment of those governmental grants which are necessary to the achievement of the Zionist purpose.

Fulfilling those goals and building a safe homeland for jews has been the aim all along.
Start here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Zionist_Congress

[The_Thinking_Theist]

Well, Israel didn't, but America and Britain did I believe. The creation of modern Israel is in my mind the equivalent of China invading Arkansas to give it to the Cherokee.

[EgoRaptor]

Well, Israel didn't, but America and Britain did I believe. The creation of modern Israel is in my mind the equivalent of China invading Arkansas to give it to the Cherokee.

From that I can assume your mind is very small & ineffective.

[ska88]

Zionism aims at establishing for the Jewish people a publicly and legally assured home in Palestine. For the attainment of

And how is that legal? And why Palestine ? Why not an empty island? Why UK didn't offer them a peace of its land ?

why do they believe in creating their own state ? What is the purpose ?

[EgoRaptor]

Zionism aims at establishing for the Jewish people a publicly and legally assured home in Palestine. For the attainment of

And how is that legal? And why Palestine ? Why not an empty island? Why UK didn't offer them a peace of its land ?

why do they believe in creating their own state ? What is the purpose ?

Palestine was basically empty. The purpose of creating their own state is to give them a place to be safe from antisemitism.

Above all, this country is our own. Nobody has to get up in the morning and worry what his neighbors think of him. Being a Jew is no problem here.

-Golda Meir

Also, all you have pointed is is that Zionism is not Judaism. We already all know that. Zionism is a secular movement, not a religious movement. We Zionists couldn't care less about what Judaism has to say. You also say Zionism isn't Jewish, I think you mean to say that Zionism isn't Judaic.

It is not only a matter, I believe, of religious observance and practice. To me, being Jewish means and has always meant being proud to be part of a people that has maintained its distinct identity for more than 2,000 years, with all the pain and torment that has been inflicted upon it.

-Golda Meir

[Brakeman]

Palestine was basically empty. The purpose of creating their own state is to give them a place to be safe from antisemitism.

Except it wasn't empty.
An the purpose wasn't to avoid anti-semitism, as the act of pushing people off their land and being general dicks was not a way to avoid social stigma.

Anti-semitism or more correctly anti-jewish, is a response to a religion, regardless of how that dislike plays out by other "christian" antagonists.
A jew without the "religion" is nondescript, and only by his further actions does he provoke reactions in other cultures. If you don't "act" jewish, no one discriminates against you at all.

With no god to deed your "club" land, the taking of other's land and excluding them from their basic rights is abhorrent, no matter how you try to dress it up.