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Well this will please the Christians....I think.

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Well this will please the Christians....I think.
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Well this will please the Christians....I think.
December 25, 2013 at 5:21 pm
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/de...ence-jesus

+1 for historical Jesus I guess.
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RE: Well this will please the Christians....I think.
December 25, 2013 at 5:31 pm (This post was last modified: December 25, 2013 at 5:32 pm by Minimalist.)
I have to go with Yuval Goren and not a bunch of fucking lawyers.

http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Goren_report.shtml

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The ossuary is authentic, based on its typology and patination. The accumulation of rock varnish is considered a very lengthy process. It appears that the deposition of the patina was also considerably prolonged.
The inscription was engraved (or at least, completely cleaned) in modern times.
The inscription coating is not natural. It was made by grinding and dissolving chalk in hot water (possibly the powder resulting from the newly carved inscription), and spilling the paste onto the inscription and surrounding area, in order to blur the freshly engraved signs.
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RE: Well this will please the Christians....I think.
December 25, 2013 at 5:31 pm
I'll reserve judgment for now. This particular ossuary has a cloudy history. Even if found to be authentic, all it ultimately shows is the a man called Yosep had two sons called Yacov and Yeshua, all reasonably common names in 1st century Judea.

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RE: Well this will please the Christians....I think.
December 25, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Makes no difference one way or another.
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RE: Well this will please the Christians....I think.
December 25, 2013 at 5:46 pm
It does seem there is a need for a little scepticism ....

perhaps more than a little ....

"In late July 2003, Israeli police raided the Tel Aviv home of Golan. According to a 2003 Religion News Service (RNS) story, directly damning evidence was discovered in a rooftop storage room during the raid. "We found in this room other inscriptions and antiquities that appeared to be in various stages of being counterfeited," IAA officer Amir Ganor told the RNS. "We also found a lot of equipment for the process." They also found the James Ossuary stored in a bathroom sitting on a toilet, an odd place for such a significant archeological find."

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RE: Well this will please the Christians....I think.
December 25, 2013 at 5:47 pm
Since they're all such common names, does it actually have an implication as to whether Jesus existed? Is there even a way to determine if the "historical Jesus" is the same one depicted in the bible considering it's so full of miracles (read: made up shit) and has been changed so many times? I mean which parts of the bible should historical Jesus match up with to qualify? Probably just his lineage is what I'm thinking.
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RE: Well this will please the Christians....I think.
December 25, 2013 at 6:11 pm



Jesus, the miracle worker =/= Yeshua, the Jew
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RE: Well this will please the Christians....I think.
December 25, 2013 at 6:34 pm
Quote:Jesus, the miracle worker =/= Yeshua, the Jew

Excellent way to phrase it.

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RE: Well this will please the Christians....I think.
December 25, 2013 at 6:39 pm
(December 25, 2013 at 6:11 pm)rasetsu Wrote:


Jesus, the miracle worker =/= Yeshua, the Jew



Jesus! I wasn't going there.

Confused Fall

I know there is a lot of doubt over this one but I was surprised by the Guardian article which implies that these have now been overcome.

Would have been more interesting had it been Jesus' own ossuary of course.
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RE: Well this will please the Christians....I think.
December 25, 2013 at 8:31 pm
(December 25, 2013 at 5:21 pm)max-greece Wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/de...ence-jesus

+1 for historical Jesus I guess.

Nope - just another unprovable claim - that is already questioned by real authorities of ancient objects.

Even if they could date the object to the correct time - they still have not proven that the James and Joseph involved are those of the bible MYTH.
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