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(December 31, 2013 at 7:46 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:
(December 31, 2013 at 6:10 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: Don't be so serious, Piney It doesn't deserve it, no I'm serious: It really doesn't deserve a serious response.
Quote:11. Atheists delight in the exasperation their shallow messages entail.
I don't even want to fight with this one anymore... I've had shallowness songs, songs about letters and the post, letters about happy people, shallow people writing letter, but I never found me one JUST LIKE THAT. So, fuck it.
Quote:12. Super-rational (or super-neutral?) leads to philosophical backwardness.
Quote:13. An appetite for wonder does not compare to the grand depth of feeling in religious thought (even to stupid religious people).
e.g. eulogies that praise a scientists acquisition of knowledge can't be given to infants, stupid or misfortunate people.
Yeah, this is just mood-music, cause reading that seems to be a hassle, and I really like this (probably because I'm not an atheist, but whatever: I'm not a christian either).
Dat communiteh. In my head there are a few dozen peeps singing this shit.
Quote:15. Ergo, atheists have nothing to contribute to the lives of anyone but those who share their brutish views.
I got bored about 1/3 of the way through. Oh well
Also, OP: If you're throwing degrees on the table: show us. Tell us who you are, tell us how you got said degrees... or learn that your nonexistent qualifications are a useless commodity in this realm.
But wait, you already knew that Even if you DID have degrees: your shit at using them. Pick your poison: liar... or failure.
(January 1, 2014 at 11:07 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: Has to be a troll.
I think most adults know not to judge too quickly as it often leads to embarrassments and misunderstandings, and yet this one strolls in here, calls everyone brutish and backwards and then tries to convince us that he wants a dialogue and is a lecturer? lol?
Oh? What gave it awa-... I should get these boosters out before I hurt feelings.
(January 1, 2014 at 11:15 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Remember, it's not hard to graduate from clown college. I hear they're even giving PhD's out nowadays.
That's a lie, sir! I am PROUD to be a Jester, sir! I am PROUD of my PhD in clownin around! I HUNG IT ON THE WALL, SIR! I FRAMED IT, SIR!
Any of a half a dozen of the posters to this thread could out do you for qualifications.
So far you have only demonstrated that you have a Bachelor and Masters in mental masturbation. which effectively puts you in the same category as the banana man and all the other Cretaceous looneys.
Got anything worthy of comment?
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
January 2, 2014 at 7:52 am (This post was last modified: January 2, 2014 at 7:56 am by Creed of Heresy.)
(December 31, 2013 at 2:39 pm)Get me Rex Kramer! Wrote: Dear interwebz computer friends,
I am writing to express my continued dismay at atheists who simply don't 'get it'. Every time someone mentions that they are an atheist I think 'here we go, another Philistine' - not because I want to, but that's because that has been my experience of atheists. Atheists I have met simply have brutish minds that do not even so much as try to sympathise with others, and who have very little value attached to the need to live a meaningful existence. Far from being social radicals, I have found committed atheists to be philosophically backward and ever-ready to appeal to authority. If there was an atheistic turn in the C20th, it would appear simply to be a demonstrable show of force of science against religion, and not anything critically planned or internally coherent, nothing at all like a socially engaged body of thought.
The positive atheists with agendas are usually former communists or humanist ideologues that believe as much in the tooth fairy as any religious person ever was supposed to have done, (with the figure of a well-defined, rationally autonomous human subject in place of God). The negative atheists - the vast majority of you - are of the 'so what' variety. Observe:
A: "why do you think God doesn't exist?"
B: "I need convincing on the basis of evidence; scientific or philosophical proof of God. There is none, and so there is no God"
OR
B: "The universe doesn't look designed or purposive, and so to think there is a God seems perverse and anthropomorphic"
A: "well religion structures a lot of people's lives and gives meaning to them. What do you propose in its place?"
B: "I didn't understand the question. Religion is often harmful and has to be minimally harmful if it's false, which it almost certainly is. I can't accept it gives meaning to people's lives, it more corrupts their lives"
If this sounds like a frequent discussion of yours, please read intently to what I have to say, because you aren't getting it! Your interlocutor's question is not an opportunity for you to 'so what' the real or imagined needs of others, on the basis of your perception of the real order of things (i.e. the physical fact of the lack of a deity), it is an opportunity for you to actually start to put across your idea of the universe as something meaning-filled, helpful, and non-scary. Religion, for all its demerits, does allow for freedom (of course within limits but what freedom does not have limits?), freedom of thought as a safety of thought, for example. It is safe to think about your life through reading about the life of Jesus. It is not safe to think through your problems with reference to... er, ... well there's nothing is there, really? Unless you imagine a little Christopher Hitchens sat on your shoulder pouring golden words of judgement into your ears (poor you).
Your interlocutor, if at all grasping your supposed truth that there is no God, is standing on a diving board looking down at the deep, dark waters below and saying "it would mean jumping?". Your 'so what' response, your exchange of hollow fact for the richness and sensitivity of human life and the complexities of social discourse and meaning, shows that you only care for yourself. Atheists delight in the exasperation their shallow messages entail. After this difficult Christmas period I want to tell you that your statements of fact are socialised and have consequences for both you and your listener(s). This is an awkward and difficult and dark aspect of human life, I suppose. Especially so if you consider that you can just simply attain and receive fact as a simple, uncomplicated truth, that can link to other simple uncomplicated truths that then form a network and make you into a super-rational, super-neutral member of the New Human Race. Hence when I remarked earlier that atheists are philosophically backward.
I see Dawkins and others with a close eye and understand only that a personal ethic is put forward as exceeding religion. To put it in the words of the title of Dawkins' recent autobiography - 'an appetite for wonder'. Compare such platitudes with the grandness and depth of feeling involved in religious thought - even among the least educated - and you'll see that they lack significantly. For example:
Who could minister a funeral - without knowing the departed - and bang on about the efforts they went to in their lives to demonstrate their love of the free acquisiition of knowledge? Could you do this at the death of a scientist? Sure! A philosopher? Yes! What about the death of an infant? Of someone uneducated, or someone who has had a hard life? How does the wonder and majesty inquisitive minds feel at apprehending the natural world make personal sense of the senseless deaths of millions? Do you get it? You really have to get it. If you don't, you simply have nothing to contribute to the lives of anyone but your friends who happen to share your brutish views.
I would be interested in any replies or refutations. I would particularly like to know if there are any conceptions of an atheistic universe that aren't merely reactionary or facetious, but that can make real sense of human action for the billions of emotional human minds that inhabit this dear planet.
I've prepared a musical response to all of it! 
Even if you DID have degrees: your shit at using them. Pick your poison: liar... or failure.
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It doesn't deserve it, no I'm serious: It really doesn't deserve a serious response.
