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January 21, 2014 at 11:32 am (This post was last modified: January 21, 2014 at 11:47 am by James2014.)
(January 21, 2014 at 11:26 am)StoryBook Wrote:
(January 21, 2014 at 9:55 am)jg2014 Wrote: No I am not a vet, but trust me I am more qualified than a vet!
What, you have over 8 years or college? You think you are more qualified then a vet, yet I doubt you know what makes a carnivore a carnivore or a herbivore a herbivore.
You talk like a christian, are you a poe or just being a troll?
Yep, more than 8. Anyway, I am just not inclined to give you my CV on the internet. Either argue against the points I have raised, or concede the point. Don't just try to make ad hominem attacks, it just makes you look like a moron
That was an ironically used emoticon use by the way, if you cant express your argument without resorting to stupid animated icons you really are a idiot.
Additionally, how does one talk like a Christian? Hmm, lets see what augments meat eaters have used...
1. Appeals to authority ... check
2. Appeals to nature ... Check
3. Appeals to the people... Yep
4. Ad hominem... a couple of times
Need I spell out the obvious?
Address the argument!
1. Animals are conscious and can suffer
2. Causing suffering is wrong
3. Eating meat causes animals to suffer
Therefore, eating meat is wrong. All we have had so far is a poor attempt to argue that animals are not conscious and an appeal to nature. Both of which I have shown to be nonsense. Try harder
We can break down proteins. But plant protein is incomplete, that's why you have to plan very carefully to get all the required amino acids to rebuild all the proteins that you need - and part of that of course is nuts
There is no 'of course' Nuts are one source-there are others. The grain quinoa contains all 8 fist class proteins and ,of course' isn't a nut.
January 21, 2014 at 12:01 pm (This post was last modified: January 21, 2014 at 12:12 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(January 21, 2014 at 11:32 am)jg2014 Wrote: Yep, more than 8. Anyway,
Pre-school and kindergarden does not count.
(January 21, 2014 at 11:32 am)jg2014 Wrote: I am just not inclined to give you my CV on the internet. Either argue against the points I have raised, or concede the point. Don't just try to make ad hominem attacks, it just makes you look like a moron
It is always easier to throw out bullshit than to refute them in detail. It is the contingent upon those who makes the argument to prove the argument, not those who question the argument to refute it in detail.
(January 21, 2014 at 11:32 am)jg2014 Wrote: 1. Appeals to authority ... check
And you don't?
In fact it is perfectly valid if the authority is indeed authoritative. Let's see you show validate Fermat's theorem without either appeal to, or plagarizing from, authority. The latter amount to the same thing as former because it is unlikely you would understand what you plagarize.
(January 21, 2014 at 11:32 am)jg2014 Wrote: 2. Appeals to nature ... Check
When insufficient evidence exists to make a thorough and fundamental analysis of whether something is necessary, then examining suggestive precedent and analogues is one workable and better alternative to paralysis.
(January 21, 2014 at 11:32 am)jg2014 Wrote: 3. Appeals to the people... Yep
And you don't? In fact not only do you do it, you do it duplicitiously.
(January 21, 2014 at 11:32 am)jg2014 Wrote: 4. Ad hominem... a couple of times
When you present no argument to attack, yet make yourself so annoying, you get what you deserve.
(January 21, 2014 at 11:32 am)jg2014 Wrote: Need I spell out the obvious?
Let's see, you won't change your mind, and your won't change the topic. I think it is pretty obvious what you are.
(January 21, 2014 at 11:32 am)jg2014 Wrote: Address the argument!
You have no argument. All you do is throw assertions followed by the a wallow in the muddy conceit of your own self-righteousness.
(January 21, 2014 at 11:32 am)jg2014 Wrote: 1. Animals are conscious and can suffer
2. Causing suffering is wrong
3. Eating meat causes animals to suffer
Therefore, eating meat is wrong. All we have had so far is a poor attempt to argue that animals are not conscious and an appeal to nature. Both of which I have shown to be nonsense. Try harder
1. Not necessarily true.
2. Mere assertion (so is that a sordid attempt to appeal to yourself as authority?)
3. Not necessarily true
Ok everyone stop NOW! This has just turned into a giant pissing contest. Lets just agree that neither side is going to change the opinion of the other and leave it at that. Lets take a few deep breaths, count slowly to 10 and turn and walk away.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
so, animals who eat other animals out of instinct to feed themselves and their offspring are causing other animals to suffer and that's wrong? Or does this only apply to humans?
(January 21, 2014 at 12:10 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Ok everyone stop NOW! This has just turned into a giant pissing contest. Lets just agree that neither side is going to change the opinion of the other and leave it at that. Lets take a few deep breaths, count slowly to 10 and turn and walk away.
hmmm, as I said at the beginning, I think atheists and vegans hold much in common including having to challenge social norms and having to find sources of ethics not based on appeals to nature. It is sad that the debate ended with someone writing "fuck off", but hey maybe I should not have suggested you were being stupid. Sorry about that.
See didn't that feel a lot better? I know I do now.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
January 21, 2014 at 12:33 pm (This post was last modified: January 21, 2014 at 12:40 pm by StoryBook.)
(January 21, 2014 at 11:32 am)jg2014 Wrote:
(January 21, 2014 at 11:26 am)StoryBook Wrote:
What, you have over 8 years or college? You think you are more qualified then a vet, yet I doubt you know what makes a carnivore a carnivore or a herbivore a herbivore.
You talk like a christian, are you a poe or just being a troll?
Yep, more than 8. Anyway, I am just not inclined to give you my CV on the internet. Either argue against the points I have raised, or concede the point. Don't just try to make ad hominem attacks, it just makes you look like a moron
That was an ironically used emoticon use by the way, if you cant express your argument without resorting to stupid animated icons you really are a idiot.
Additionally, how does one talk like a Christian? Hmm, lets see what augments meat eaters have used...
1. Appeals to authority ... check
2. Appeals to nature ... Check
3. Appeals to the people... Yep
4. Ad hominem... a couple of times
Need I spell out the obvious?
Address the argument!
1. Animals are conscious and can suffer
2. Causing suffering is wrong
3. Eating meat causes animals to suffer
Therefore, eating meat is wrong. All we have had so far is a poor attempt to argue that animals are not conscious and an appeal to nature. Both of which I have shown to be nonsense. Try harder
Typical So what makes a carnivore a carnivore and herbivore a herbivore?
Ok then...
1. Animals are conscious, and can suffer. They suffer more in the wild. They get chased, injured, strangled, starved, dehydrated and killed or die a slow/long death(days even). You are confused about nature being a happy place. Domesticated animals get food and water, shelter, and a place to grow with little worry of predators.
2.There is a difference from killing for food and abuse. If you are going to compare yourself to an animal then have fun out running a lion. Lions don't see eating a gazelle is wrong. They claw it, injure it, bite its neck, strangle it, paralyze it and eat it. They don't feel guilty about it, it is in their nature to eat meat.
3. As stated in 1 and 2 eating can cause suffering. Suffering is a fact of life. No matter what you do, you can't prevent that gazelle from suffering without causing another animal to suffer.
Therefore your logic is flawed. You are blind to what has been presented to you.
You talk like a christian, are you a poe or just being a troll?
So what makes a carnivore a carnivore and herbivore a herbivore? ![[Image: 347]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i0.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Fnewsfeed%2F000%2F291%2F792%2F347)
