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"Gödel's ontological proof" proves existence of God
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 (April 19, 2014 at 12:59 am)Coffee Jesus Wrote:(April 18, 2014 at 11:44 pm)Chas Wrote: It would not be detectable unless one could identify and isolate what water contained a magic molecule and what didn't. Yes.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method. 
define "exist".
That's a little unfair Coffee. If anyone here could give a cogent, unassailable answer to that we'd have solved the central question of ontology. :p
"The reason things will never get better is because people keep electing these rich cocksuckers who don't give a shit about you."
-George Carlin 
Anselm's Proof always seemed like sleight of hand to me. Godel's Proof was merely a more sophisticated version of the same idea, with the same type of flaws.
If you want to speculate about a mathematical universe and a God, try some books by Max Tegmark, who more or less claims the universe is mathematics. (January 8, 2014 at 6:14 pm)Belac Enrobso Wrote: I thought that this was interesting. According to Godels ontological proof, the existence of god is possible. This leads me to wonder what God could possibly be, considering there is scientific evidence for his existence, albeit mathematical. It's hard to define a "godlike" property. Some gods had lion and lizard heads. Some gods resembled humans. Some gods were bulls. Is there one male god, or an assortment of male and female gods? His logic doesn't weigh the claims of all religions. (May 7, 2014 at 1:31 am)Heliocentrism Wrote: It's hard to define a "godlike" property. Some gods had lion and lizard heads. Some gods resembled humans. Some gods were bulls. Is there one male god, or an assortment of male and female gods? Well, godel does indeed define in his argumentation that god like is the set of all "positive propertys", but the thing is he never defined positive propertys objectivelly. Anyway i think positive properties could be everything that isn't a negation of property and the argument would somehow make make a little more sense.  RE: "Gödel's ontological proof" proves existence of God
September 17, 2014 at 6:57 pm
(This post was last modified: September 17, 2014 at 7:00 pm by CapnAwesome.)
This is not my forte, but what it says to me is that in the past very smart people believed in God and yet found the idea of God to be not self-evident and not logical. That's why they have come up with some very complicated justifications for their own cultural engrained beliefs. That's why you've seen a huge decline in these types of complicated justifications post-Darwin, because it become okay and even the more intellectually acceptable position to simply be an Atheist or Agnostic. In other words, why did Einstein not make a mathematical proof for the existence of God but Godel did? It's because in Einstein's era it was fine for him to be an open Agnostic where in Godel's era it was not.
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What's up with the necroposting?
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
You do realise that resurrections are how religions get started, don't you? Do we really need to inflict more trouble on the world?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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