White Privlige and Ignoring the Problem

[EgoRaptor]

The problem with white privilege is that white lopeople can go home at the end of the day and totally forget (not even on purpose) that for the last few hundred years they toed a line in the sand and only allowed a few people to cross it.

Than if you are going to get after our ancestors for enslaving blacks, first you should go after the Africans whose ancestors sold their countrymen into slavery.

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What a Bullshit thread! White privilege my ass! When we can recognize George Washington's birthday as a national holiday again, have a month set aside to learn about White history, benefit from affirmative action for White people, etc...maybe then we can talk about White privilege.

The problem with white privilege is that white lopeople can go home at the end of the day and totally forget (not even on purpose) that for the last few hundred years they toed a line in the sand and only allowed a few people to cross it.

Well pardon me all to hell! I apologize! I totally forgot all about how I've been treating Black people over the last few hundred years!

[là bạn điên]

Jews have been treated abominably for the past 2000 years and were discriminated against in the USA as well and yet Jews have no problem getting into college and getting good jobs. Asian people were systematically discriminated against and yet the are in college way in excess of their numbers. Jews arrived in the US penniless and the Chinese arrived as labourers on the railroads so what is it about Jews and Chinese people that makes them thrive under discriminatory oppressive conditions? Jews and Chinese people don't benefit from affirmative action, they don't get into college on lower grade. Black Immigrants to the USA from the Caribbean do substantially better that African Americans do- why is that? Why do African Immigrants do better than African Americans?

[kılıç_mehmet]

Though I must say that when speaking of non-whites in America, I only sympathize with two groups: The Blacks and the Native Americans.
I don't sympathize with the Blacks because they are poor, or less educated, or engage in crime and whatever. I sympathize with them because they have been robbed off of their true identities, and forced to accept the identities of their masters when they were shipped to America. This is the only place where I sympathize with them. I think if they had a solid identity, a sense of history and a sense of belonging, they surely would be in a better state than they are in today.
The lack of a solid identity makes these people rather uncaring in life, they have no further concerns that go beyond their basic needs.
I salute the nation of Islam on that thing, it once tried to create an identiy for the Black folks in the US, a national identity, even if it was false and made up, it still gave those who adhered to it a sense of pride, and they rose up, led clean and crime-free lives, and worked for the goals of their nation.
I think the Blacks of the US need a national awakening. This whole white privilage crap is nothing more than further enslaving blacks by feeling sorry for them. The only way for Blacks to be "something" is for them to show national solidarity among themselves.
There were two people in American history who understood this and advocated it. One was Elijah Muhammed, and the other was George Lincoln Rockwell.

[A Theist]

Though I must say that when speaking of non-whites in America, I only sympathize with two groups: The Blacks and the Native Americans.
I don't sympathize with the Blacks because they are poor, or less educated, or engage in crime and whatever. I sympathize with them because they have been robbed off of their true identities, and forced to accept the identities of their masters when they were shipped to America. This is the only place where I sympathize with them. I think if they had a solid identity, a sense of history and a sense of belonging, they surely would be in a better state than they are in today.
The lack of a solid identity makes these people rather uncaring in life, they have no further concerns that go beyond their basic needs.
I salute the nation of Islam on that thing, it once tried to create an identiy for the Black folks in the US, a national identity, even if it was false and made up, it still gave those who adhered to it a sense of pride, and they rose up, led clean and crime-free lives, and worked for the goals of their nation.
I think the Blacks of the US need a national awakening. This whole white privilage crap is nothing more than further enslaving blacks by feeling sorry for them. The only way for Blacks to be "something" is for them to show national solidarity among themselves.
There were two people in American history who understood this and advocated it. One was Elijah Muhammed, and the other was George Lincoln Rockwell.

Some points I agree with. Some, I don't. Ever since the United States became a nation and even beyond in our very first settlements here, we developed our own identity, our own flag, recognized one language, and developed our own culture, sub cultures, and form of government. Whites and Blacks both have generations that go back hundreds of years here. American Blacks have no more connection to their ancestral Africa than American Whites have to their ancestral Europe. Also, slavery ended here during the Civil War. That generation of White slave owners and Black slaves have been long dead and buried. The Civil Rights struggle also ended sometime back and many of those on both sides of that struggle are also dead and buried. None of us living today ever experienced the days when Slavery was legal here, and many on this forum were born long after the Civil Rights struggle and never witnessed that either. Even us older ones here were too young at the time to know much about what was happening with the civil rights movement. A lot of the forum members here who want spout off the racial inequality crap don't know one shit what they're talking about...Oh, they quote studies....big shitty do!

[kılıç_mehmet]

Some points I agree with. Some, I don't. Ever since the United States became a nation and even beyond in our very first settlements here, we developed our own identity, our own flag, recognized one language, and developed our own culture, sub cultures, and form of government. Whites and Blacks both have generations that go back hundreds of years here. American Blacks have no more connection to their ancestral Africa than American Whites have to their ancestral Europe. Also, slavery ended here during the Civil War. That generation of White slave owners and Black slaves have been long dead and buried. The Civil Rights struggle also ended sometime back and many of those on both sides of that struggle are also dead and buried. None of us living today ever experienced the days when Slavery was legal here, and many on this forum were born long after the Civil Rights struggle and never witnessed that either. Even us older ones here were too young at the time to know much about what was happening with the civil rights movement. A lot of the forum members here who want spout off the racial inequality crap don't know one shit what they're talking about...Oh, they quote studies....big shitty do!

You must understand that skin tone alone does not account for a solid identity. People look up to their roots for a future. The Black community in America can only look up to slaves in that regard. How can a people, that can trace its roots to slavery look up to anything but slavery in the future?

True, the Blacks in America do not have to work on plantations anymore. But they still show all the characteristics of slaves. They are dependent on their masters(the "whites") for survival. Not just like in terms of sustenance, but their whole identity is essentially tied to the identity of their masters.
They use their names, their religion, conform to their culture, and work in their system.
Other "people of color" or whatever that means, are on the other hand, not so. They know their roots. They do not have the ongoing inferiority complex that is rampart amongst the Blacks.
Nothing that the whites can do can actually remedy this condition, whether it be "abolishing slavery" or giving them civil rights. Even with loads of money under "slavery reparations" is not going to make any difference, really. They need to get out of this slave mentality themselves, and establish a strong identity, with actual or even imaginary roots.
Today, most Blacks do not have a sense of pride, even if they tell that they do. They engage in crime, drugs, fornication, and many of their chilren grow up with their mothers only. Family is practically non-existent, and most can only look up to being low class workers and drug dealers(or rappers). That is not due to white privilage or something, its just due to the fact that their aspirations are rather low, due to their lack of a solid ethnic identity other than the identity that their masters have bestowed upon them once upon a time.

[Odysseus]

You're naive. My opinion is that racism cannot be abolished because scarcity at the bottom keeps members of different groups in conflict. Egalitarians at the top do not experience it in their own lives as strongly and because they advocate tolerant policies feel no blame and deserve none, others who are simply self aggrandizing or outright cowards promote conflict simply to manipulate those entrenched in it for their personal gain.