Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament

[truthBtold]

VOWS: (Num 30:2 KJV) If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth. (Deu 23:21 KJV) When thou shalt vow a vow unto the LORD thy God, thou shalt not slack to pay it: for the LORD thy God will surely require it of thee; and it would be sin in thee. (Eccl 5:4-5 KJV) When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed. 

[Lemonvariable72]

Jephthah's vow was his own, God did not ask for the vow nor did He require the vow to be keep, Jephthah is solely responsible for his action

So how come 'god' stayed quiet while "Jephthah" was lighting the fire? Apparently, as with "Abraham" your god thinks this shit is humorous but at least he stopped that one at the last moment.

"Silence breeds consent" is the legal maxim. Your sky-daddy sat there and watched it happen when all he had to do was say "put the fire out, idiot".

That makes him guilty.

Oh come now, do you really expect these idiot to understand such legal concepts as accessory before the fact?

[Minimalist]

Nah. He's hopeless.

But he isn't the only person here.

[Mudhammam]

So how come 'god' stayed quiet while "Jephthah" was lighting the fire? Apparently, as with "Abraham" your god thinks this shit is humorous but at least he stopped that one at the last moment.

"Silence breeds consent" is the legal maxim. Your sky-daddy sat there and watched it happen when all he had to do was say "put the fire out, idiot".

That makes him guilty.

I with u Minimalist... In (jud 11:40) it says, "the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament =(To express grief for or about; mourn: lament a death) the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year." We cannot believe that the entire nation turned out to mourn and weep over a single girl being subject to a harmless vow. And Jephthah is listed among the heroes of faith in Hebrews 11:32.. go figure!!

Guys, aren't you aware that sometimes throughout history, when God misplaces his magical hat (a colander, as it turns out), he turns into the timid and powerless

[Minimalist]

You mean like a wet noodle?

[Drich]

How far back are you going to move the goal posts on this topic in order to try and save face?

It started with God commanding human sacrifice. Then We had three pages of doctors and university professors worth of quotes supporting your OP, then a page of you cherry picking numbers 3 (as if no one else could read it for themselves) so that your statement remain plausible. The. Finally one of your own told you to cut it out, and you still can not let things go. Now we are saying what? God allows death? Even to kids?

Forgive me if any of you has lost one, but so what. There is a long list of good people who have lost kids and do not blame God let alone try and use the death of a kid to make an argument for child sacrifice.

You lost this one, save what dignity you can take a breath and try another stock atheist arguement maybe one we have done in a while.. I don't keep score unless you push a topic that we have already put to rest.

Deflection, deflection, deflection. How have I shifted the goal posts? You didn't think I meant to lay down all the facts in my first thread, did you? No, I wanted to watch you twist and turn your way out of each dilemma one by one. It appears that you have given up. Everything I have cited thus far demonstrates the appropriateness of my post's title, "Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament."

It appears that you believe it is morally justifiable to kill children for the parents' iniquities. It is very obvious that Christians do not represent a loving God as they claim, but rather a moral monster who curses babies to die and rewards those who would sacrifice their children to him for a vow. Wow. You should feel dirty for encouraging such a sick and immoral religion.

Look at the outline you presented in the op. None of it had anything to do with what your on about now. That my friend is shifting the goal posts. If you started another topic it would be different. It's like 2/3s of the way into this discussion you realized you were wrong. Then. Tried to build an arguement from the pieces that you thought you could defend.

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no, seriously.. What did you really mean? I don't get it.

WOW your so christ like it is dumbfounding. Seriously maybe if you werent such a arrogant prick with rocks in your head, then maybe you could understand what I'm saying to you.

Sorry, I just wanted to seriously challenge your logic here. If you knew darth vader was going to kill all the younglings in revenge of the sith, does that mean you are guilty before the fact as well?

[Mudhammam]

Look at the outline you presented in the op. None of it had anything to do with what your on about now. That my friend is shifting the goal posts. If you started another topic it would be different. It's like 2/3s of the way into this discussion you realized you were wrong. Then. Tried to build an arguement from the pieces that you thought you could defend.

I still stand by everything I said in the OP. I know you THINK you refuted it, and that's why I switched verses, but actually I just figured it more productive to lay out the entire picture presented in the Bible rather watch you untangle your panties over the Exodus/Numbers comparison. Given that you lack justification for Yahweh's other actions I've mentioned, I figured it might help you realize that my first examples weren't all that shocking or radical.

[Lemonvariable72]

Deflection, deflection, deflection. How have I shifted the goal posts? You didn't think I meant to lay down all the facts in my first thread, did you? No, I wanted to watch you twist and turn your way out of each dilemma one by one. It appears that you have given up. Everything I have cited thus far demonstrates the appropriateness of my post's title, "Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament."

It appears that you believe it is morally justifiable to kill children for the parents' iniquities. It is very obvious that Christians do not represent a loving God as they claim, but rather a moral monster who curses babies to die and rewards those who would sacrifice their children to him for a vow. Wow. You should feel dirty for encouraging such a sick and immoral religion.

Look at the outline you presented in the op. None of it had anything to do with what your on about now. That my friend is shifting the goal posts. If you started another topic it would be different. It's like 2/3s of the way into this discussion you realized you were wrong. Then. Tried to build an arguement from the pieces that you thought you could defend.

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WOW your so christ like it is dumbfounding. Seriously maybe if you werent such a arrogant prick with rocks in your head, then maybe you could understand what I'm saying to you.

Sorry, I just wanted to seriously challenge your logic here. If you knew darth vader was going to kill all the younglings in revenge of the sith, does that mean you are guilty before the fact as well?

If was a Jedi that knew beforehand and made no attempt to stop him. Or even if I was a regular in the star wars saga that knew beforehand and failed to report it to the proper authorities so that it could be stopped then yes I would be just a guilty as Vader because I was a enabler.

[Drich]

Look at the outline you presented in the op. None of it had anything to do with what your on about now. That my friend is shifting the goal posts. If you started another topic it would be different. It's like 2/3s of the way into this discussion you realized you were wrong. Then. Tried to build an arguement from the pieces that you thought you could defend.

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Sorry, I just wanted to seriously challenge your logic here. If you knew darth vader was going to kill all the younglings in revenge of the sith, does that mean you are guilty before the fact as well?

If was a Jedi that knew beforehand and made no attempt to stop him. Or even if I was a regular in the star wars saga that knew beforehand and failed to report it to the proper authorities so that it could be stopped then yes I would be just a guilty as Vader because I was a enabler.

I didn't say you were a Jedi, (I was only gone a little while and you've got delusions of gandure) I said you as a movie goer, sat down to watch revenge of the sith and you knew vader was going to kill a bunch of little kids does that makes guilty of whatever your accusing God of?

[Lemonvariable72]

If was a Jedi that knew beforehand and made no attempt to stop him. Or even if I was a regular in the star wars saga that knew beforehand and failed to report it to the proper authorities so that it could be stopped then yes I would be just a guilty as Vader because I was a enabler.

I didn't say you were a Jedi, (I was only gone a little while and you've got delusions of gandure) I said you as a movie goer, sat down to watch revenge of the sith and you knew vader was going to kill a bunch of little kids does that makes guilty of whatever your accusing God of?

Are saying that god watches the events of earth with no power to influence just as a a movie bgoer can't change the events of the movie