Is there any benefit to raw milk vs pasteurized milk?

[LastPoet]

My grandma had milk cows and I used to drink milk that was still hot from the animal's body temperature. Apart from the little annoying film of fat that forms on the surface of the milk, it was rather delicious, albeit a little hard to swallow due to thickness. But its understandable that most people can't (I can't anymore ) get milk freshly out of the cows tits, and pasteurization preserves the milk for safe drinking later. The problem arises by the companies greed, as even fat bottled milk already had some parts removed for other products, namely cheese & butter.

[TaraJo]

Not to bash on ya or anything Tara, just going by the facts:

http://authoritynutrition.com/5-brain-nu...fish-eggs/

It cites all of its sources, too. Kinda hard to argue with it.

Oh, no, I take no offense at all. In fact, I've learned thing or two from this.

As for cholesterol, I stand by my stand that vegans tend to have lower cholesterol and fat than your average American diet, but the average American diet has way too much fat and cholesterol in it. It's why dieticians suggest lean meats, especially fish. If I were comparing a vegan diet to, say, a typical Chinese diet or a typical Indian diet, I'd probably get wildly different results.

I'll have to look up more on brain development and veganism, though. What you say sounds solid, but I still want to learn more about it.

And, yes, PETA, they're kinda crazy. They're an extremist group and even when an extremist group is on your side, you have to know that most of what they tell people is going to be hyperbolic bullshit.

[Creed of Heresy]

Heheh...."kinda crazy" might be understating it a little...

[LastPoet]

I usually stay away from people that try to make me awkward for being an animal that can think... sometimes.

[Drich]

Here is a balanced look at the pros and cons at the product itself http://www.realmilk.com/health/raw-milk-...ized-milk/

This is only 1/2 the story though, because milk does not come from a vacuum.

The other 1/2 is the health of not only the animal it comes from but all of the other animals out of the heard who's milk is mixed in with your milk. I saw a thing on things like milk, hamburger,and other things where animal products are combined to make or portion out a consumer sized product. In some cases they said their can be over 1000 different animals being represented by one gallon of milk. The reason we pasturize is because we can not definitively account for the health of all the animals involved in bringing the dairy they make to market.

So yes there are benfits but the risk far exceeds the reward.
If you have a dirt footed hippy friend who knows the animals his milk is coming from then he is right. If the milk supply that feeds the rest of the country stopped being pasteurized, then we might as well prepare ourselves for a zombie outbreak.

[Creed of Heresy]

Zombie outbreak?

DEREGULATE THE MILK INDUSTRY, RIGHT FUCKING NOW

[Rev. Rye]

Really, about the only possible thing raw milk has on pasteurized is that cheeses taste different depending on the state of the milk, and FWIW, the cultures involved in the cheesemaking process gets rid of the bacteria that are in the raw milk anyway.

[James2014]

As for health benefits, you are semi-correct. Thing is, high quality protein like whey protein is incompatible with total veganism since it comes from cheese, and while health-wise it's not so big of a deal, it's very, very effective for physical fitness due to its musculature-building properties. And then you have "brain foods," which no vegetables or fruits will provide you, requiring you to take supplements...which are derived from eggs, fish, and/or meats...ergo incompatible with veganism.

Vitamin B12. Nuff said. Vegans may have lower cholesterol, sure, but you guys also almost universally suffer from problems in the brain, including the wildly increased risk of Alzheimer's, mental health problems, and even having a smaller brain. That's just the first thing and already I have NO intention of ever becoming a vegan; I don't want my damn brain shrinking! It's poorly-wired as it is! Then there's creatine, Vitamin D3 deficiency, carnosine (EXCLUSIVELY from animal flesh, cannot be obtained except from animal flesh specifically, and has an ENORMOUS impact on reducing the agin process), and finally DHA. Vegans are going to be deficient in all of these rather important vitamins which are all incapable of being derived from a vegan diet, due to supplements having to come from animals who are killed in the process of making them.

Yeah...I think I prefer the health benefits of my omnivorous diet over the "fighting evolution" herbivorous diet of vegans...I like my brain to be not be falling apart, my muscles to be retaining energy and absorbing adrenaline, having adequate cognitive functioning, and all that stuff.

On top of that, there really ISN'T any proven health benefit to veganism. At all. Cholesterol can be easily managed in a meat-eating diet, especially if meat is only consumed like once a week or so, so that's not exclusive to a vegan diet.

Not to bash on ya or anything Tara, just going by the facts:

http://authoritynutrition.com/5-brain-nu...fish-eggs/

It cites all of its sources, too. Kinda hard to argue with it.

That link is a bit biased. Firstly vegan diets are not deficient in protein. Brain foods such as EPA and DHA can be obtained from vegan sources, specifically from algae. While vegans are at a greater risk of B12 deficiency, supplements are available, as are fortified foods. D3 can also be obtained from vegan sources, derived from lichens. Lastly veganism has been associated with a number of health benefits including reduced risk of cancer, cardiovascular disease and all cause mortality.

[Creed of Heresy]

[KichigaiNeko]

I find this whole diet thing very interesting.

While the vegetarian / vegan "diet" will yield weight loss and perhaps some benefit against cholesterol and cardiac issues. The "protection" against cancer is moot. As some studies I've read indicate that the said "diet" has some benefit it usually creates other cancers due to lack of vital nutrients like B12.

Love your work CoH